Your sugesstions are good ones. Even though I'm not DF'd or DA'd the people I meet are afraid to talk and have been clearly convinced to shun me...makes encouraging critical thinking a little tough.
Posts by Flash
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8My 11 month ordeal is paying dividends...
by _Atlas inwell i was on a mission.
when this friend on mine started wondering about my virtual disappearance from meetings.
i decided to shed some light on her worn out eyes.
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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 11-21-04 WT Study
by blondie incomments you will not hear at the 11-21-04 wt study (october 15, 2004 1st article)
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Flash
I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago--whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows--was caught up to the third heaven. And I know that this man--whether in the body or away from the body I do not know, God knows--Was caught up into paradise, and he heard utterances beyond the power of man to put into words, which man is not permitted to utter.? 2 Corinthians 12:2-4 (Amplified Bible)
This is one of my favorite scriptures since it clearly confirms Out-of-Body experiances as real and NOT occult. The programing the Elders get wont allow them to aknowledge it though.A People Restored and Transformed
Paragraphs 8-15
Connecting an OT prophecy again with a 20 th century JW teaching, the WTS goes to Isaiah and is not content with the "initial fulfillment."
This historic prototype helps us to understand what Paul saw in vision. It would involve the Christian congregation.
"Historic prototype" means we're about to create new light.
Granted we know that individually we are imperfect , so it does not surprise us that problems occasionally arise, even as they did among Christians in Paul?s day.
Imperfection is always the cause, NEVER poor judgement and certianly NOT with the 'Guaranteed 100% Spirit Directed Always Right Never Wrong Humble as a Young Child Governing Body'.
What is the third heaven?
Heaven seems to be multi-diamensional. We know there are at least three. What could the total be? Three? Seven? Ten? One hundred?? Time will tell when God reveals it.
Thanks again Blondie.
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HELP!! Trying to find right religion brough up as JW
by emmamess22 ini was raised as an on again off again (when convenient for flighty mom) jw.
i have recently decided due to the birth of a daughter that it was time to get it together and decide what to do with myself spiritually as she was going to church with her baptisit dad and i felt awful.
so, i've been using the reasoning book and reading the bible and trying to decide what's right.. spent hours looking at christmas online....saw it was traced to pagan celebrations and decided not to do it.
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Flash
In some ways they try to be as accurate and correct as possible...popular or not.
Flash are you joking here or what? These are the same people who have been innacurately predicting the end of the world.
Yes, they have been trying too hard to date it. Lets not forget, Jesus did teach the End as a reality and stressed our being ready.
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Could WBTS be forced to pay tax in America?
by Gadget inin another thread link said: .
i am not well versed in u.s. tax laws but it is my understanding that even in the u.s.anyone making loans on which interest is charged is considered to be operating a taxable business.
in the u.k. the societies loans are interest free but they take control of the building once the loan has been completely repaid.
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Could what is happening in France happen in America too?
I think that day definately is coming.
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old bad "wordly" habits creeping back in
by babygirl inafter being a jw for about 27 yrs and giving up old wordly habits...some still lurk at my door..how about you?
which is your choice of badness, i mean the serious df kind...marijuana, smoking, premarital sex, etc...anything creeping back???
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...anything creeping back????
Not really. I did have a couple of pre-witness tattoos redone this year.
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Free Literature at the Kingdom Hall
by frankiespeakin ini was thinking for all you guys who go the kingdom hall even though you know it's not the truth,, in order to keep from loosing all your friends and family,, why not take advantage of the wt free literature at your kh?
i mean the wt is forcing you to go to meetings with the threat of being outcasted from your family why not put a little dent in their finances but getting all the free literature you can and not contibuting anything for it.
after all the wt is offering it free of charge.
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why not put a little dent in their finances but getting all the free literature you can and not contibuting anything for it . After all the WT is offering it free of charge.
hahahahaha
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The elders called!
by nb-dfed ini was home the other night, minding my own business, when the phone rang.
the number was blocked on my caller id, but i answered anyways.
lo and behold!
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The number was blocked on my caller id, but I answered anyways. Lo and Behold! It was one of the elders
The COWARDS!
I'm not too familar with phone options, can you block, blocked calls from coming in?
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JW OnLine Dating WebSite thoughts
by Jim_TX inokay... i happened onto one of those 'online' dating services for jws.. it doesn't matter which one... i am sure they are all pretty similar.. the first thing i noticed was - in the member profiles... anytime they talk about what they like - and all... when they use words like... assembly... associate... etc.
the 'online censor' replaces the 'ss' with '**' - don't want anyone using the word 'ass' ya know... even tho one of the apostles had one... or was it... rode on one.... anyway... next in the 'search' options... they allow the prospective searchee to set up parameters to look for... race.... 'drinking' - they forgot 'like a fish'... the closest they get to it is 'regular'.
'occupation' - ironically, they do not have 'bethelite, 'gillead-ite', 'district overseer' (hey!
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I signed up with one and was rejected...Big surprise! LOL
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Da cross....hee hee
by emmamess22 inby show of hands?
who thinks it was a cross?
who thinks it was a "stake" ?
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Flash
I just watched the Passion a few minutes ago which I had not watched for fear it was "wrong" to watch it
That was a GREAT movie...intense!
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HELP!! Trying to find right religion brough up as JW
by emmamess22 ini was raised as an on again off again (when convenient for flighty mom) jw.
i have recently decided due to the birth of a daughter that it was time to get it together and decide what to do with myself spiritually as she was going to church with her baptisit dad and i felt awful.
so, i've been using the reasoning book and reading the bible and trying to decide what's right.. spent hours looking at christmas online....saw it was traced to pagan celebrations and decided not to do it.
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emmamess22
So, I've been using the reasoning book and reading the bible and trying to decide what's right...
That book is not bad, I'd get an old "Make Sure of All Things Hold Fast to What Is Fine" book off of e-bay, I believe that to be the better choice...less dogma.
Heaven and Hell....the Bible says we'll inherit the "Earth" in a zillion places....so we can't be going to Heaven or Hell.....RIGHT?
99% Correct. Ecclesiastes 9: 5-10, Psalms 115: 16 and 171. Wouldn't hell just be eternal death (sounds pretty unfun to me) and 2. Hell be where Satan is kept once he's done with? 3. Wouldn't Heaven be the paradise ?
- Yes.
- No, Hell is a figuer of speech for eternal death/the second death. Revelation 20: 10 and 21: 8
- For some humans, not all.
But I don't know about the 144,000....are they the only ones and the great crowd referenced are merely "in sight" of the throne and not at it?
The 144,000 represents a small amount of humans that do go to heaven and are part of the heavenly government under Christ Jesus that rule over the earth after Armageddon. Luke 12: 32, Revelation 5: 9, 10 and 20: 61. I don't understand what Armageddon is. 2. Just a big old killing of everyone not a JW!?!?!?!?!
- God's war against that part of humanity that will not submit to His authority as God Almighty over them.
- I personaly don't believe that, yet, that is what the Witnesses currently teach. Jeremiah 25: 30-33, 2Thessalonians 1: 6-10, Revelation 6:15-17.
Why would God choose to resurect righteous AND unrighteous at the same time after having killed lots of unrighteous?
The Witnesses believe the resurected UN-righteous are those who never heard the truth about YHWH and the issue of sovereignty. Those terminated at Armageddon will have had the opportunity to make a choice to serve God and did not choose to serve Him. I think their reasoning on this is correct.
1. Why is the JW way the only one that teaches that it wasn't a cross? 2. Is it really wrong to wear one (idolatry?) if we do it for our own symbolism of what it was that was done for us?
- In some ways they try to be as accurate and correct as possible...popular or not.
- If it wasn't a cross (and I don't believe it was) why wear it? IMO it would just confuse people. If I were to wear anything it would be the name/s of God or His Son (in Hebrew)...that's just me.
Is celebrating the birth of my daughter, whose day was the best ever actually a bad thing? Does that mean the day she was born I should have been like, "Great, who cares...put her in the nursery and hand me the remote control...."
No where in the bible are we commanded NOT to celebrate our day of birth. Even so, the only two clear birthday celebrations recorded are of Pharaoh of Egypt and wicked King Herod, Genesis 40: 20-22 Matthew 14: 6-10. No one who had God's favor is mentioned in the bible as celebrating their birth. Not Noah, not Abraham, not Moses, not David, NOT Jesus, not any of the Apostles...One has to wonder why?
But can't believe in RAPTURE....or can I?
Pray, read and study...pray some more! Best Wishes ~ FlashHELP....so torn.