the watchtower org does not believe that 'justice and equality' should be pursued nowadays.
justice and equality or only to be expected in a never neverland that will never come.. november 1st watchtower on page 14, shows how the borg uses ecclesiastes to teach it's slaves to accept oppression, poverty and injustice.. page 14 it discusses ecclesiastes 1:15 and explains it under:.
lessons for us:.
Lessons for Us:
1:15 It is futile to spend time and energy trying to correct the oppression and injustice that we see today.
Of course! That was Jesus attitude exactly!!! Don't help, feed or cure anybody. No need to extend good to others, just sit on your hands and (say it with me now) "Wait On Jehovah!"
And I thought it couldn't get any worse. LOL ...Incredible!
yes, it's official!
in the new system jehovah's witnesses will still have to attend the terrible meetings for all eternity!!!!!!.
the watchtower, november 1st, page 31, para 16:.
para 17:
'As the end draw near, we should be more determined than ever to attend our Christian gatherings for worship... Out of respect for the sacred nature of our meetings, we do not allow secular work, school homework, or evening schooling to cause us to miss out on meeting regularly with our fellow believer. We need the strenth that comes through association.'
These people are absolutely DELUSIONAL! And are true CONTROL FREAKS!
as many of you know i`ve just got back to the board in the last little while..what did i learn yesterday?..the generation of 1914 means nothing..nothing!
!..back in the day,you could have been disfellowshipped for such a remark..disfellowshipped!
!..what did you think and how did you feel when you found out the generation of 1914,now means nothing?.....outlaw
1914 ,the Generation that got tossed in the Garbage Can
1914 AND THE LAST GENERATION: [Oct. 15, 1995 Watchtower] ~ 1914, that's when Russell and his Bible Students were waiting for Armageddon to come. They waited 35 long years for 1914...and then, NO ARMAGEDDON. Then 81 years later the GB runs scared and changes a primary teaching of Christ, even though the sign was, and still is, in FULL BLOOM right in front of them (Luke 21: 29 ~ 32). It was clearly because Eighty ONE years had passed since 1914 and that they were applying Psalms 90:10 LITERALY. When all they had to do was look around themselves at everyone older than eighty to know the scripture HAS to be a figuer of speech! The 'Age of Reason' teaching was purely human thinking NOT Divine. People born in 1914 right now are 92, old yes, but many people live well on into their ninety's. Even people 100+ are becoming more common now. So in the 'not to distant future' we can expect to see serious changes at the UN toward religion
(This along with a few other things are in my Profile)
can you guess when this was written?
(bolding mine).
"conventionality is not morality.
I consider those words to be an absolute truth.
Great find jgnat!
im interested in hearing what your personal reaction would be if (i say if because probably 99.9% here believe this will never happen) all the religions of the world were to be suddenly banned/shut down/decommissioned/liquidated/dismembered/etc.. by the political powers of the world.
what would your first post here say?
would it change your view of jehovah...of the "org"?
POLL : Your reaction IF all religion was suddenly banned worldwide
I am looking forward to it. I personaly believe the War On Terror will bring us to this point.
I believe Jehovah's Witnesses are God's modern people, BUT their Organization is run by the Evil Slave. It is very much like ancient Israel...They have the truth about God and His Son but like the Scribes and Pharisees of Israel they do not follow it and worse invalidate it with their opressive traditions. Most of the people here have left because of their being "lorded over."
What would your first post here say?
Its time to make peace with God and His Son on a personal level. And remember...they don't require us to drink any Kool Aid!
Would it change your view of Jehovah...of the "org"?
No. Rather, I would be very happy that Jesus is kicking 'Evil Slave and friends' butt.
How would you then treat JWs or what would you say to them?
After Armageddon I am looking forward to accepting their apologies for being self righteous, arrogant JERKS!
i am new to the jw world, not one, but do love one.
met a man who down to the tee is amazing.
he is a great man, the only thing i am not so sure about is his "religious" beliefs.
Should I marry a JW ?
Is he an "active" witness? Is he an apologist for his religion? If he is BOTH of these things then I strongly suggest you DON'T marry him. Ulitmately he will insist you ALSO become a slave to the religion.
Does he believe the Witnesses have "the Truth" but OPENLY DIS-AGREES with them on issues important to him? If so, you could 'consider' the 'possibility' of marrying him...BUT DON'T RUSH IT!
IMO
i went to extremes and managed to lock myself out of my mac.
but it's much better now.
I went to extremes and managed to lock myself out of my mac. But it's much better now.
LOL Oops!
when one disasociates or is disfellowshipped surely the acceptance of the majority to shun from the view of the minority is of a sinful nature.
this dawned on me today when walking home with the kids from school a member of the kingdom hall drove past us and waved ( at the kids - not making eye contact with me ) in fact i saw two members who did the same.
the question that arose in my mind as i strolled home was this, these people are basing their apparent belief i am an apostate on an announcement made from the platform at the kingdom hall, this statement was obviously made by an elder etc.therefore they have all become judges against me without a case - for only the elders know of the conversation i had with them on the day i da'd.
under_believer
How did the Jews treat men of the nations and tax collectors? Jesus (the Bible's perfect example) seems to have given us a lead. How did he treat Matthew (a tax collector?) How did he treat the Samaritan woman (a woman of the nations?) For that matter, how did the Jews at large treat foreigners?
Just something to think about. I'm not convinced that the words you quote dictate shunning.
Excellant points. In Jesus words and example there does seem to be "wiggle room." Depending on the individual/s. Jesus knew how His disciples would take His words because of Jewish law...but His actions send a differant message.
Before Christ, the Jews by law were only allowed to have business dealings with non-Jews, no socializing was permited. As you mentioned Jesus (our exempler) showed us by His words and actions that this law was no longer an absolute. My opinion is that we must each have the freedom to decide how far we choose to, or not to, associate with someone who has chosen NOT to live by divine standards (emphasis on DIVINE). The bible record shows that the apostles disagree with this. IMO, their exhortations must be for us to consider when deciding our own course of action in determining how much, if any, we associate with people who left Christ and God. However, as you pointed out, Jesus words and example are the true standard.
ok adam and eve sinned by eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and bad.. why weren't they allowed to eat from the tree of knowledge?
isn't knowledge a good thing?.
i am one of those people who can't stand not knowing the answers to everything.
Why is knowledge wrong?
Knowledge isn't wrong. It wasn't going to be withheld.
The Tree of Knowledge represented a choice of submission to the Law of their Creator. God being the Creator of all things determines the law by which it all operates.
When everyone decides to determine their own laws, order disappears. Without submission to law (especialy God's law) there is chaos and destruction. The condition of human society today sadly proves this.
When the cells in our bodies all conform to the law of how they should operate, we're healthy and fine. When they don't, we suffer and DIE.
when one disasociates or is disfellowshipped surely the acceptance of the majority to shun from the view of the minority is of a sinful nature.
this dawned on me today when walking home with the kids from school a member of the kingdom hall drove past us and waved ( at the kids - not making eye contact with me ) in fact i saw two members who did the same.
the question that arose in my mind as i strolled home was this, these people are basing their apparent belief i am an apostate on an announcement made from the platform at the kingdom hall, this statement was obviously made by an elder etc.therefore they have all become judges against me without a case - for only the elders know of the conversation i had with them on the day i da'd.
accept their judgment of others. shunning
Matthew 18: 15 ~ 17
17 "...let him be to you just as a man of the nations and as a tax collector."
Christ makes it clear that shunning has its place. When it should be applied as determined by those leading the congregation is another matter.
