Posts by Flash

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unforgivable sin

by MerryMagdalene in

tijkmo's post on watson's "hypothetical" thread got me wondering again...just what the heck is it to sin against the holy spirit according to jw beliefs/teachings?

for something so important as to be "unforgivable" it has always seemed awfully vague to me (so vague that i was sure as a kid that it must be masturbation and for years i felt the great weight of ultimate doom heavily upon me).

is it intentionally vague, do you think, just to keep everyone on their toes and hyper-paranoid or am i missing something?

Flash

The Bible?s Viewpoint
Is There an Unforgivable Sin?
IS THERE a punishment worse than death? Yes, death without the hope of a resurrection because one has committed an unforgivable sin. Jesus said that there is a type of sin that "will not be forgiven."?Matthew 12:31.
...In fact, Jesus said that with the exception of the unforgivable sin, "every sort of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven." (Matthew 12:31) So you may wonder, ? What could be so terrible that it is unforgivable by God??
Past the Point of Repentance
Jesus? warning referred to willful and deliberate "blasphemy against the spirit." There is no acquittal for this type of sin. "No, not in this system of things nor in that to come," he added. (Matthew 12:31, 32) Those guilty of such sin will not be resurrected.

Past the Point of Repentance? It seems to me 'sinning against the spirit' applies only to those anointed by it. Unrepentance by the non-anointed still earns death and there is no guarantee of a resurrection for any individual unrighteous person, only the hope of it. Would the death of all those at Armageddon be the result of their sinning against the spirit? I don't think so. Also, I think the consquences of sinning against the spirit applies to those who are perfect as well.

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Governing Body talk in Holland - GB decisions are Jehovah's decisions

by truthseeker in

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it seems that few are aware of it, but the whole talk here is posted.. http://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/viewtopic.php?t=2337&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=45.

seems like holland is having problems with jw authority.. thought i'd paste a few comments from the board before pasting the talk, so you can get an idea of what is happening.... --------------------------.

thanks for the update from holland.

Flash

I'm happy to hear/read this. The more they open their mouths the more they openly expose who they really are (Matthew 24: 49) and the more deeper the hole they dig for themselves (Matthew 24: 51)

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Please help me prove the wts wrong

by gringojj in

my wife was born in the jw religion but was never baptised.

she is currently studying and is on the road to baptism.

i am an atheist, and i have little comprehension of the bible.

Flash

Which is more important to you; to prove them wrong or to get your wife out? Joyzabel's selections are excellent. "Combatting Mind Control" for instance. You need to concentrate on the wisest way to get your wife out of their thinking. Unfortunately, directly attacking the religion or the elders could push her closer to them and away from you.

This is the smarter way to approach the problem.

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Silentlambs Japan Trip a Success!

by Dogpatch in

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friends

japan trip a success!

to view photos of trip click here, .

http://community.webshots.com/album/285981001nvggmd .

Flash

1. why not let jehova handle it?

2. and by the way isn't the watchtower watch by jehova?

That is an example of the manipulative reasoning used by the Organization to neutralize any complaints by thinking people. It's intellectualy dishonest!
You mean like ancient Israel was during the time of Jesus??

Elsewhere is exactly right.

Did the "Good Samaritan" wait on your Jehover to help the man who was robbed and beaten and left half-dead on the side of the road or did he step up and do something to help? Are you going to be the Good Samaritan or are you going to be the ministers and priests who walk past him on the other side of the road?

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Suicide among Jehovah's Witnesses

by cruzanheart in

this topic has been covered many times, in many different ways, but let's open this for discussion: if the witnesses allowed an elder per congregation to be trained as a "pastoral counselor" as other religions do, would that make it more bearable to be a witness and play by their rules?

would it lessen the number of depressed, suicidal people who feel they have no reason to live?.

nina

Flash

Would it lessen the number of depressed, suicidal people who feel they have no reason to live?

I don't believe it would because the burdon the WTS puts on the RF would NEVER be factored in as part of the problem!

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Please help me prove the wts wrong

by gringojj in

my wife was born in the jw religion but was never baptised.

she is currently studying and is on the road to baptism.

i am an atheist, and i have little comprehension of the bible.

Flash

Like Stromboli said.

http://quotes.watchtower.ca/
This site is going to help you locate where and when they said something, you've got to check it out, it's great and there are no comments by the owner.

With this site you can use their own words against them.

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WHO IS WORSE TO A JW, A PAEDOPHILE OR AN APOSTATE?

by diamondblue1974 in

hearing about the child molester in glasgow who has been charged but not disfellowshipped did cause me to think a little;.

as an apostate you can be shunned without the need for a jc meeting irrespective of the fact that you might be repentent (not if you have any sense though); however the child molester mentioned hasnt been disfellowshipped!!?

?...if this is true doesnt it clearly highlight the wts f**cked up sense of morals?.

Flash

WHO IS WORSE TO A JW? That's easy, an apostate. Anyone who leaves the faith is far worse than a sinner that remains.

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The effects of exiting a cult

by Sirona in

i consider jehovahs witnesses to be a cult, or at least a high control group (cult-like).. i recognise within myself some side effects of having been a jw.

here is an interesting article dealing with cults (it does list some extreme cult tactics).

i'm going to quote just part of the article regarding the effects on someone who has left a cult.

Flash

"One thing I know I do is I don't always keep in touch with people.

It is almost due to a fear of close friendships.

In the past I've really opened up, but was hurt in the process.

Just recently I found out that a friend who I've confided in regularly

has lied to me and I don't know why."

Sirona

I've had similar problems.

Very close friends show you they're NOT close at all!

I didn't give up and remained 'open' to new friendships...they eventualy came.

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The effects of exiting a cult

by Sirona in

i consider jehovahs witnesses to be a cult, or at least a high control group (cult-like).. i recognise within myself some side effects of having been a jw.

here is an interesting article dealing with cults (it does list some extreme cult tactics).

i'm going to quote just part of the article regarding the effects on someone who has left a cult.

Flash

Oh yea, I think we can ALL relate to this.

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This is how I keep my sanity during the meeting

by Bonnie_Clyde in

i only go on sundays and not every sunday and only because i have to take my father who can't drive.. i often wished i could have other reading material during the meeting.

then i got the idea to order a spanish bible.

now i follow along in my spanish bible while the speaker speaks english.

Flash

If your really not interested and want to make a statement, listen to a walk-man or read the newspaper.