this might be old hat to those of you with more experience in the wts/witness life, but it struck me as very odd, perhaps even a bit sinister.
i started coming here so i could find out just what my wife was getting herself into.
on my first day here, i learned about the blood doctrine, and that was enough to convince me.
Answers began coming to me, ugly answers like control of information, secrecy, increased profit, hidden and/or ulterior motives, all summed up in one word. CULT. It gave me a really creepy feeling. Is there some logical explanation of this that I just don't know as a non-witness? Or is it really a bad indicator like I am thinking?
A very good observation from a fresh pair of eyes outside the WTS.
(exodus 14:26-31; .
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don't jws who say they are the only true christians want to know christ?
Blondie
Flash,
Proverbs 31:6,7—can you elaborate on that?
My pleasure. The words of Lem'uel's mother at Proverbs 31: 1-7, particularly verses 6 and 7, along with the record of Moses making up his own rules for divorce as part of the Law (Deuteronomy 24: 1-4 / Matthew 19: 7and 8) as well as the Apostle Paul imposing his own restrictions on women (1Corinthians 14: 34 and 35, 1Timothy 2: 9-15), IMO are clear evidence of purely human reasoning, not at all from God or His Son, not directly nor indirectly and are certainly not priciples to live by. These 'scriptures' show the popular belief that the Bible, in its entirety, as being the "Word of God" to be wrong.
we had a visiting speaker come to our hall yesterday.
he was a missionary from liberia (whoopie) but he was talking about the danger he faces everyday just to go our in field service from rebels, gangs, the military.
he lived in a hut with no electricity, no running water.
I'm convinced they parade these people around to manipulate motivate the congregations. IMO, every thing the WTS does is carefully calculated.
(exodus 14:26-31; .
" (exodus 19:1019; .
don't jws who say they are the only true christians want to know christ?
They refuse to accept that Jehovah teaches his people through his faithful and discreet slave class of anointed Christians
Classic manipulation. I'm sure the Scribes and Pharisees spoke the same way.
The understanding of divine truth has always been progressive (Proverbs 4:18)
Classic contradiction! Which is it? God teaching them to teach us or men using biased reasoning to interpret God's will? And how about Proverbs 31: 6 and 7? Is it a bible principle, the Word of God? Or purely human reasoning?
Blinded by tradition--WTS traditions
The GB, and the apostle Paul knew Jesus condemed the Scribes and Pharisees for imposing their taditions on God's people, yet both Paul and the GB are guilty of doing it also...So much for following Christ's example!
p 19--Moses--stone tablets with God's laws
p. 21--Paul--scrolls of the Hebrew scriptures (?)
p. 23--WTS/JWs--WT publicationsDo you see the WTS making a correlation?
Definately! There is a case to be made for subliminal messages in the WT. Very clever.
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Another great expose' of twisted, manipulative WT reasoning Blondie. Thanks!
(with apologies to the guy who had this idea first, and for watchtower-izing it).
from: governing body, watch tower bible & tract society.
to: all congregations.
TO FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MI-ASS ...HAHAHAHA
please, huge warning, if you're an angry ex-jw, save your bs advice, i dont' need to hear you put jw's down just to give advice.. i was raised a jw & am still bitter over injustice growing up at the hands of my elder father, and bitter over the abuse of my ex-husband.. i miss my fam, i miss peace, i miss a sense of belonging.
any advice on how to gain inner peace w/o selling myself out?.
ginger
1. Please, huge warning, if you're an angry ex-JW, save your bs advice, I dont' need to hear you put JW's down just to give advice. 2. I was raised a JW & am still bitter over injustice growing up at the hands of my elder father, and bitter over the abuse of my ex-husband. 3. I miss my fam, I miss peace, I miss a sense of belonging. 4. Any advice on how to gain inner peace w/o selling myself out? Ginger
do you think the wt has become more lenient or stricter over the year?.
i am 21 and i remember just 4 years ago going to college was looked at as something negative.
girls my age, we had plans to be ft pioneers and become secretaries.
College definately...Pioneer later if you want, but definately college now.
Remember, thinking for yourself is not a sin or rebellious. It is a approved God given freedom. The Narrow road is not so narrow and cramped as to prevent us from moving at all.
Best Wishes!
"we ... reflect like mirrors the glory of jehovah.
like mirrors the glory of jehovah, are transformed into the same image .
from glory to glory, exactly as done by jehovah [the] spirit..
WILL YOU REFLECT GOD'S GLORY? "We ... reflect like mirrors the glory of Jehovah."-2 CORINTHIANS 3:18.
Once again the foundation of the study comes from the words of Paul. They should change their name to 'Jehovah's Paulite Witnesses.'
10 A second way thatSatanWTS tries to stop all thinking Christians (falsely labeled apostates) from reflecting God's glory is by ridicule. This tactic should come as no surprise. During his ministry on earth, Jesus Christ was ridiculed-laughed at, sneered at, made fun of, treated insolently, and even spit upon by both those who were leading God's Organization and by its followers (Mark 5:40; Luke 16:14; 18:32)
Statements in RED come from me.
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Thanks Blondie!
russia and china are calling for the u.n. to be in charge of the war on terror.. leaders say u.n. must direct terror fight:.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/un_world_summit;_ylt=akz8e.tgsmf_oflkwyivqjrmwmcf;_ylu=x3odmta5bgvna3nhbhnlywnzc3jlba--.
its been my opinion that when responcibility for the war on terror gets turned over to the u.n. they will in time conclude (with god's help) that 'religion' is the main problem and has to be eliminated.. what do you think?
Hellrider
We definately don't agree on this for the most part. Liberals who make the news often have a double standard, they assert that Islam should be respected but routinely trash Christianity in any form. The reason IMO is that Christianity in this country as well in the rest of the western world has asserted itself as the moral authority in life not just socialy but politicaly for many years being very active in government elections and legislation. So it has come to be viewed by the Left as an enemy to be defeated. Where as Islam, until recently, has been quietly operating in the U.S and the west by staying under the radar politicaly.
Blondie
Paragraphs 17 and 18 comment on this but not a mention of the UN, except indirectly: "The wild beast and its image" are symbols of human rulership, which does not acknowledge Jehovah's sovereignty.
But elsewhere the WTS has identified this image of the wild beast as the UN. Looks like the WTS is trying to hide this information or back off from it.
Your probably right, like 1914 and the Last Generation they're backing away from what I believe to be very correct bible insights. IMO they're losing faith because of the lateness of the hour and are forgetting what Jesus said, " On this account you too prove yourselves ready, because at an hour you do not think to be it, the Son of man is coming." Matthew 24: 44
russia and china are calling for the u.n. to be in charge of the war on terror.. leaders say u.n. must direct terror fight:.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/un_world_summit;_ylt=akz8e.tgsmf_oflkwyivqjrmwmcf;_ylu=x3odmta5bgvna3nhbhnlywnzc3jlba--.
its been my opinion that when responcibility for the war on terror gets turned over to the u.n. they will in time conclude (with god's help) that 'religion' is the main problem and has to be eliminated.. what do you think?
ozziepost
Sorry, like Stilla I'm unmoved. Sounds like typical end-timers stuff to me.
Yes it does, remember though, Jesus was an end-timer too.
Robdar
Flash, I wish you were correct. But an end to organized religion will never happen. People need direction and unfortunately they turn to the church.
Left on its own, probably not, but it is God who puts it into their hearts to destroy it.
Hellrider
The UN is as liberal and politically correct as you can get.
Liberals HATE religion.
DannyHaszard
Everybody knows that it's a foregone conclusion the world's strife is instigated by religion. No special insight here.True, and putting aside the alleged and possibly erroneous details from the WTS of how it will all unfold, it wont take much of a push from God to terminate it.
I should add that actually there is,cause the demons who inspire WT writings may know their own doomsday timeline.[James 2:19]Good point, they probably do. The point is, it will happen. jeeprube
I personaly feel that the whole "religion is the root of evil" teaching of the WTS is one of the few things they got right. The problem is that the GB is arrogant enough to believe they are not included in the mess.True, true. I've come to believe the WTS probably since Russell's death has been run buy the Evil Slave. metatron
After 120 years of prophetic failure, why believe anything they say?Primarily because Jesus is the one who stressed His coming and the 'lateness' of His arrival. SwordOfJah
It's true that the U.N. has less influence, but this could change from one day to the other. If the U.S. allows it to have more influence, then it will. The book of Revelations has that part right.I agree with you. The insight about the Lamb-like Beast (USA) breathing 'life' into the image (UN) I think could happen over night although I am more inclined to think it would happen when Democrats were in power...Did you know President Clinton aspires and is working to become, the next Secretary General of the UN when Kofi Annan's term ends in 2006? Even though I belive the Evil Slave has been in charge of God's people, like the Scribes and Pharisees of Israel and including good people like Nicodemus, they are still IMO God's people and have had a certain amount of special knowledge given to them over the years...Yet, when the Master arrives I don't think the GB, for the most part, will be hearing "Well done!" from Him. OldSoul
Which part? That the U.S. will give the U.N. more influence? I wasn't aware that the succession of Kings as described by the JWs involved one King granting authority to the successive King. Your understanding is interesting, please elaborate on that point.Their belief is (and I think it is correct) the Beast with the two horns like a lamb (USA and England) will empower the UN with greater authority than it ever had or ever will have. Revelation 13: 11 to 15 (Revelation Book, page 193 - 195)Respectfully,
