Very funny! Very clever!!! I saved it and will be mailing it out too.
Thanks!
Posts by Flash
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27A pioneer "sister" sent me this one.
by watson inyou may want to save this along with your favorite kingdom ministry .
issues.
feel free to cut and paste into your reasoning book.
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Open Letter To The Society
by Outaservice indear brothers,.
you might want to consider this letter in the 'questions from readers' section of the watchtower.. my question is this: i would like to join the catholic church and at the same time keep my standing and position in the congregation!
the reason being is that i have heard that the vatican has a very good and complete library which i would like to avail myself of.
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The reason being is that I have heard that the Vatican has a very good and complete library which I would like to avail myself of. I would of course have to refrain from criticizing Catholics and speak well of them, but the benefits are obvious.
He SHOOTS! ...He SCORES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I saw Mariah Carey in Concert last night!
by Flash inshe was great!
its a pleasure to see her sing in person.
the fact she has no inflated ego really adds to being there.
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earthtone
I am so jealous!!! the only people I would want to see more is Janet Jackson and Mary J. Blige
Yeah, it was a great time! A Janet Jackson concert sounds like a great idea. Do you know if she performs at smaller theaters or does she only do large events? I prefer the smaller ones. Better seating, less hassels. I'm not 'up' on all the musical talent, so I don't recognize the name, Mary J. Blige, is she a current singer?
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Comments You Will Not Hear at the 8-27-06 WT Study (FOCUS ORGANIZATION)
by blondie incomments you will not hear at the 08-27-06 wt study (july 15, 2006, pages 19-24 )(focus on organization).
review comments will be in red.
wt material from today's wt will be in black.
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4) We have sound reasons to be grateful for "the faithful and discreet slave" appointed by Jesus Christ over his belongings on earth. The slave class of spirit-anointed Christians takes the lead in preaching the good news, arranges meetings for worship, and publishes Bible-based literature in over 400 languages.
You've recieved one 'talent' and what have you done with it???
Millions of people earth wide gratefully partake of this spiritual "food at the proper time." (Matthew 24:45-47) There certainly is no reason to murmur about it.
After having your assignment for 131 years you have only 6 million people out of 6 billion. You have nothing to boast about!
...And still, you beat the congregation while declaring yourselves righteous.
Paragraph 10 1. We have no reason to complain of treachery within God's organization today. 2. Neither Jehovah nor his angels nor the spiritual shepherds tolerate the presence of treacherous, wicked ones in the Christian congregation. 3. Nevertheless, all of us are confronted with human imperfection-our own and that of other servants of God.
1. Yes we do. The facts are abundant
2. Partialy correct. The time is coming when God's judgement against His self-decieving, delusional people will be here. Starting with those leading them! Ezekiel 9: 5 ~ 10, Matthew 24: 48 ~ 51, Luke 12: 45 ~ 48
3. Poor judgement and un-loving hearts are the real problem.
Thanks for another great expose' Blondie!
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Can anyone find anything wrong with this?
by agapa37 inthis is todays text!.
saturday, august 26.
[jesus will] be regarded in that day with wonder in connection with all those who exercised faith.2 thess.
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Can anyone find anything wrong with this? In his role as Gog of Magog, Satan will launch an all-out attack against Jehovah’s peaceful Witnesses. Coming up "like clouds to cover the land," Gog’s hordes will expect an easy victory. What a shock awaits them! (Ezek. 38:14-16, 18-23)
The so-called FDS and their supporters have a shock waiting for them too. Ezekiel 9: 5 ~ 10
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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible
by thirdwitness inthink about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.
why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?
as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.
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AnnOMaly
So can a group's spins on doctrine (which is subjective as far as we people are concerned anyway) really be used as concrete evidence as God's favor?
Concerning the Core Beliefs (and even some secondary ones) I believe it is. That fact that the WTS changes doctrines like we change socks does confuse things in a BIG way. It is IMO, part of their overall and almost complete failure in carrying out Christ's assignment to them.
A thought has occured to me as a result of our discussion...
What if the Three Slaves who were given the Talents of Silver represented three time periods? (Matthew 25: 14 ~ 30) The first Slave representing the first century slave before the apostacy, the second Slave representing those slaves active during the apostacy and the third Slave representing those leading Christ's congregation during these Last Days? ...just a thought, it makes sense to me.
Think about it...the perfomance record for the job the so-called FDS has done with their "one talent" is so abysmally poor, its like 'returning to the Master what is His, without interest.' After having their assignment for 131 years, only 1 tenth of 1% of the earths 6 billion people have been convinced to accept Jehovah through His Son. That's a shameful return!
"I believe this is clear evidence as to having at one time had divine approval. Again though, I think they fell hard in their faith after 1914 failed to produce Armageddon. That's when, IMO, the Evil Slave took over."
But again that's based on the premise that prior to 1914, God chose a group that had wackier doctrines than they have now! I can't see it.
Well, I don't know what more to add. I guess so long as we both do our best to be right in God's eyes we'll be OK, regardless whether we agree on this or not.
Nice talking with you.
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I saw Mariah Carey in Concert last night!
by Flash inshe was great!
its a pleasure to see her sing in person.
the fact she has no inflated ego really adds to being there.
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She was GREAT! Its a pleasure to see her sing in person. The fact she has no inflated ego really adds to being there. She doesn't put on airs like she's better than her audience or the people she works with.
Trey Lorenz tried to get cozy with Mariah during a song. It was funny to see her gently reject his overtures. He got the message. When I saw her in 2003 at the Oakdale, she had a male singer with her then too (can't remember who) who also tried some on stage snuggling and failed! LOL
At the end of this show they showered the audience around the stage with small purple and reddish pink mylar butterflies, which I kept some of as a souvenir.
It was a great time!
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What was your greatest achievement up to now?
by JH in.
for some reason, i don't feel as if i accomplished much in my life up to now....but that doesn't affect me too much.
i'm happy..
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Regaining my individuality and critical thinking ability taken from me by the WTS and learning to control unjustified anger 98% of the time...for me, humility was the key.
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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible
by thirdwitness inthink about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.
why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?
as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.
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Fisherman
I know you didn't ask me, but...
When Jesus said that all authority.... what did he mean? Did he mean at that very moment, did he mean after his resurrection, did he mean in the future? I don't know. I know what the wts teaches.
If the devil is the ruler of the world, then does Jesus have all authority. (?)
Death still rules, how does Jesus have all authority? For 2 thousand years after Jesus' death people still ruling.
Excellant questions!
He was given all authority technicaly at that time, but was, and still is, not authorized by God to use it fully. After Christ "arrives" at Armageddon is when He will fully exersize His authority ( funny thing, what I just stated used to be WT doctrine ...its not from me ).
Seems as if these entities are exercising their power derived from their authority.
Yes, absolutely!
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The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible
by thirdwitness inthink about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.
why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?
as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.
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AnnOMaly
An oldie by Queen. Theme song to the 1980 Flash Gordon movie.
'Ah ahhh' I will definately pick up that CD! Thank you.
Hang on. So all Christian institutions, now including the WTS, have been rejected, but JWs themselves are approved and you allow for the possibility that the RF of other religious groups are also approved - even though their core doctrines would disqualify them. I find that a teensy bit contradictory.
I'm thinking in terms of all of us being judged ultimately as indivduals. God, who is love, showing mercy by reading everyones heart, and approving people based on that rather than what religion their in. Counting on it really, since the Witnesses as a religion have failed miserably at being what God and Christ intended, a shining example of a truely loving religion that would naturaly draw people, instead they earned a reputation as a high control religion and cult thus undermining completely their own preaching work. Few people consider joining them and many are leaving. Plus Armageddon means eternal destruction for those who aren't approved. So I believe God will consider His people's failure and make allowances for those sincere in heart toward Him even with their inaccurate knowledge of Him.
Remember Abraham's talk with God before the destuction of Sodom and Gomorrah. Although the people in those cities didn't qualify, God was willing to spare them if He found even 5 good people in them. I will admit, I'm speculating here. I'm basing it on God's valuing the lives of good people in the past, so it seems to me that He'll do it in the future. Plus there are places around the world that will barely hear about Him and His promises. I can't believe He wont make allowance for that.
In any case, JWs - according to what you said - can't exclusively be God's people if ones from other groups may be counted as worthy in God's eyes.
I disagree. The Witnesses today, are just like the ancient Jews were, with all the evil and corruption in them. In spite of it the Jews were "God's people" right up until the cutain in the inner sanctuary was torn in two.The Witnesses, as off-the-path as they are, are still God's people...but the Hammer is coming down on them too.
Another question. If you think JWs are chosen above all others, what are the criteria by which they have been chosen, and how is that choosing evidenced? (all right, 2 questions LOL)
I think their take on their being the reconstituted true faith is correct. Also their core (biblical) beliefs that their faith is built on I see as evidence:
- God has a name (Jehovah) and is not a trinity.
- Jesus is God's first creation.
- The Angelic rebellion is the source of all our troubles.
- The Great Tribulation and Armageddon are literal and coming.
- God will use the worlds governments to destroy world religion.
- The Thousand Year reign is real.
- The Resurrection is the only hope for the majority of the dead.
- The Little Flock will become a literal Heavenly Government.
- Satan and his Demons have a finite time to exist and will be terminated.
I know there are religions that teach some of these, but I have not yet heard of another religion that has all of these as the foundation of their faith. I believe this is clear evidence as to having at one time had divine approval. Again though, I think they fell hard in their faith after 1914 failed to produce Armageddon. That's when, IMO, the Evil Slave took over.
thirdwitness
For the record I firmly believe the FDS has been appointed over all the master's earthly belongings.
I'm sorry to hear that, since their "fruits" are obviously rotten. Matthew 7: 15 ~ 20 and again verses 21 through 23.
Fisherman
I did not mean to be sarcastic or cynical by my comments on your post on generation.
No problem. Most of us (myself included) are prone to get defensive when our cherished beliefs are attacked.
What I meant to get across is that it is hard to abandon the hope of living in a paradise earth and never dying in ones lifetime.
Perhaps I didn't make myself as clear as I could (or maybe I'm misunderstanding you) I'm not saying that at all...I "still" believe it. I always thought the GB was in error to change the doctrine of the Last Generation.
My opinion is though, that if you do not know something for sure because God did not speak to you on it, why give people a false hope about something that is only a view and not a reality...
God did give us our thinking abilites, and I choose to use them and I regularly pray for growth in them. I don't believe we should leave what we are convinced is error unchallenged. You are doing it right now. You are using your thinking abilities and forming an agrument as to why I am wrong in voicing my beliefs and exposing what I am convinced is serious error on the part of the GB. Now, we don't agree, and we may never agree, even so, I'm glad your thinking and speaking about where you believe I'm wrong.
...and then when the generation belief did not prove to be what was expected, that is that the generation that saw 1914 is 70 or 80 years in length, using the Bible to define generation, you change the definition of generation. There is a glimer of hope there so people do not let go...
I disagree. "80 years with special mightyness" we cannot apply this literaly. If this were an 'absolute' no person would ever live beyond 80, and we know this isn't the case. People born in 1914 right now are 92, old yes, but many people live well on into their ninety's. Even people 100+ are becoming more common now.
...but at the same time, another teaching that we should not speculate on dates indication that the end can come in 50 years or at an undetermined time, but at the same tineme people are allowed to believe or to entertain the hope of in their lifetime. Is that dishonest?
The GB doen't want anyone but themselves to speculate...Only they're allowed. Its a way of controling the thinking of others...Very UN-LOVING.
Lets say your right and I'm wrong. Does that mean Jehovah isn't God? Or His promises are false? NO! Should we lose faith in the promise? Again, NO.
The reason I speak up when I have the chance is because I am completely convinced of that which I am speaking and I speak with good intentions. I am not trying to undermine anyones faith in God or His Son nor am I trying to draw anyone away to myself.
Things start crumbling apart as people start to realize that the teaching regarding the length of generation failed. The teaching is false because people normally live 70 or 80 years. If the end comes in 100 or 120 years, the teaching gave people a false hope because the average person would die and yet was taught to belief to entertain a false hope. It may make no difference to you, you are still young, so am I, but what about the older ones that worked so hard and gave up so much and when its time to get paid: Not today, And then comes another beautiful explanation of generation. The bottom line is: Not getting paid. People get angry at this, and I don't blame them.
Do you realize Jesus left His apostles knowing they were hoping for The End to come in "their lifetime." We cannot base our faith on a timetable. No matter who's right and who's wrong, whether in or out of the WTS, no one should leave Jehovah...even if we ALL grow old and die...the promise will someday come.
If I saw your view about generation on a wt mag, I would be very angry. In all honesty, how many jws can digest the new generation definition in connection with 1914?
I got angry at the GB's retraction of it...They're wrong!
I understand don’t leave the wts and stuff like that but if one has the history of telling people that they are going to get paid but time and time and half a time again, no money, some workers will stop believing you,(not God), not matter what beautiful opinions or explanations you have for not paying
Yes, and the first time Pay Day was supposed to 'arrive' was 1914. That's when Russell and his Bible Students were waiting for Armageddon to come. They waited 35 years for pay day...and then, NO MONEY. Then 81 years later the GB runs scared and changes a primary teaching of Christ's, even though the sign was, and still is, in full bloom in front of them. All I'm saying is they had it right and changed it, and stumbled many people all because the GB got scared.
And what I mean to say by not paying is, that you led people to belive that they would be rewarded, and what I mean to say by you is, not you, but the ones that led people to believe the doctrine.
I understand. I am looking forward (like you) to this system ending...and I firmly I believe it will shortly. Lets say I'm wrong though, will I, or should anyone, stop believing what God and His Son have stated and preserved in the bible? No, absolutely not. We'll need to brush ourselves off and keep waiting...even if it means seeing the New Order via the resurrection...because the Kingdom is a reality.
Now if you will please allow me to indulge in some healthy and, I think relevant speculation.
I believe the United States and England in the not to distant future will transfer authority for the War On Terror from themselves to the United Nations. This in my opinion will be the fulfillment of Revelation 13: 15, as it appears verse 12 has been being fulfilled for some time now.
The end result of this transfer I believe, will be the destuction of Babylon the Great, the Great Tribulation and Armageddon (which I think may be a 40 day event) Time will tell.
ttyl ~ Flash