the text below is from the jan 1st watchtower 1913. i don't recognise this in any jw congregations today.
the international bible students association.
this association sprang up spontaneously.
regardless of all denominational lines, quirks and frills
Yeah - how it's changed. Be gone ye Babylon the Great! It seems to be mental and spiritual arrogance to completely negate and demonise everyone else's beliefs on the planet. And that's *not* likely to change I don't think.
instructions for life.
1. take into account that great love and great.
achievements involve great risks.. 2. when you lose, don't lose the lesson.. 3. follow the three r's:.
Thanks for posting that, it's neat and thought provoking :)
i haven't had a chance to read crisis of conscience yet, it's a 2 month wait here unfortunately for delivery and i feel it will probably answer some of my questions regarding the gb but it occurs to me - i wonder if they *really* believe what they teach, if they *really* believe it's the truth or are they really manipulating money makers operating a dysfunctional mlm scheme that ruins people's lives.
or perhaps somewhere in the middle lol.. oh yeah, and if anyone knows how the 'new light' is supposedly delivered i'd love to hear about it.. what do you think?
if anyone has read coc and has any quotes that might be useful please post :)
Thanks everyone, there were some perspective expanding thoughts in your replies. What I mean is - wow - I'd never thought about it like that! I've been hiding from this 'stuff' (baggage, issues, whatever) for about 15 years, now I come here and you good people share all your perspectives and I absorb it and hopefully come to resolution. Yayy for technology and caring people :)
Hi gumby I really must get a hold of that book. It sounds fascinating. Didn't someone put it online at some point? (I seem to remember reading that) - no doubt it's been deleted by now though.
Joy2bfree. Thanks for the link and the welcome, I'll check the web site out :)
lastcall. "think most of them believe their own bullshit" - yeah probably eh. That's a scary thought.
Elsewhere. LOL - never heard them compared to Sadam Hussein, I must think about how I can present that point to my teenage son because in essence you seem to be spot on, and that's a bit of a concern.
Enishi. "so push what they know to be true deep into their subconscious" - I did that myself for years, that's why it's taken me so long to turn round and face this stuff. I just *have* to remove the fear.
Link. Good point, I could write to them couldn't I.
RPM. A newby like me :) Hi. I'm reading an interesting book at the moment called "Counting the Day's to Armageddon" by Robert Crompton. It talks about the early life of the religion and how it developed. It's useful info to know eh, thanks for your post :)
DanTheMan. Thanks for the info on the book, I am most keen to get a hold of a copy, the more opinions I hear about it the better it sounds.
RR. "instead of reversing some bad decisions and doctrinal changes, he explained them away with misappliocations and types and shadows." - Mmm yeah - that's well described. I see their tactics haven't changed a lot in the interim period. Have you read this? http://www.geocities.com/osarsif/earth.htm
gumby. You ask some interesting questions, it'll be interesting to see what develops.
littlewitch. Yeah good point, I hadn't thought about that one.
Greenpalmtreesstillmine. "but they have enough belief in the general teachings of the Society to continue on. " - I wonder if that isn't the way a lot of witnesses feel?
Nosferatu. "They know deep down inside they're full of shit, but they can do anything they want because they're of the anointed." - Yeah, interesting thought, it really does allow abuse of power eh. Do you think they could be sued for 'misfeasance' if they were a governmental organisation? Hmm, worth some thought.
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Thanks everyone :)
Hey - neat formatting options here btw.
i read something and thought some of you might know.
remember revelation 12:7. there was war in heaven and micheal and his angels battled the dragon and his angels.
then satan was thrown down to earth and was like a roaring lion.. didn't the jw's say that this happened in 1914?
It was man who said, 'all scripture is inspired of god',......not god.
Yeah - I always thought it was illogical to use the Bible to prove the Bible.
for me i really enjoy a johnny depp movie, this guy has talent.
Brad Pitt <swoons> Fight Club
Anthony Hopkins - Instinct
Mel Gibson - Signs
Johny Depp - Jack the Ripper
do any of you start humming a kingdon tune out of the blue?
i do from time to time, i love music you can take any key and there will be a kingdom song that starts with it.
that is how i learned how to play a harmonica was by remembering the tunes of jehovah's witness's.
Hmm, I'd completely forgotton about them until I found a web site with them all on - in midi (ewww lol).
in my current campaign against "e-watchman" i am going to copy tactics i learned from my favorite watchtower studies - posted weekly by blondie.
my urge to do this is caused by what i view as a real danger to those who are escaping the intense mind control of the borg.
e-watchman uses guilt and condemnatory statements in a big way, which could strike those who are feeling guilty about leaving the watchtower anyway.
What do you anticipate would happen to this person if their identity was revealed?
i haven't had a chance to read crisis of conscience yet, it's a 2 month wait here unfortunately for delivery and i feel it will probably answer some of my questions regarding the gb but it occurs to me - i wonder if they *really* believe what they teach, if they *really* believe it's the truth or are they really manipulating money makers operating a dysfunctional mlm scheme that ruins people's lives.
or perhaps somewhere in the middle lol.. oh yeah, and if anyone knows how the 'new light' is supposedly delivered i'd love to hear about it.. what do you think?
if anyone has read coc and has any quotes that might be useful please post :)
I haven't had a chance to read Crisis of Conscience yet, it's a 2 month wait here unfortunately for delivery and I feel it will probably answer some of my questions regarding the GB but it occurs to me - I wonder if they *really* believe what they teach, if they *really* believe it's the Truth or are they really manipulating money makers operating a dysfunctional MLM scheme that ruins people's lives. Or perhaps somewhere in the middle lol.
Oh yeah, and if anyone knows how the 'new light' is supposedly delivered I'd love to hear about it.
What do you think? If anyone has read COC and has any quotes that might be useful please post :)
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http://www.wtmedia.org/
has a link to all the media stuff.
That's official. OMG - thanks :)
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http://www.wtmedia.org/
has a link to all the media stuff.
Has a link to all the media stuff.
