Minimus they (and the no blood cards they all sign) still forbid the main components of blood (red cells, white cells, plasma, platlets) they just "leave it up to your conscience" on fractions of those components.
Mysterious
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What Was "IT" That Finally Made You Leave The "Truth"?
by minimus inanything in particular, or was it a combination of things??
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Mysterious
Thats horrible! Witness couples can't have oral sex, so whats the freaking point of getting married???!!!
Presumably to engage in "wholesome bible-approve hetrosexual intercourse". Almost reminds you of the Catholic church forbidding anything but the missionary position for years, and of course their stance on birth control.
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LATEST WT Study Articles Are All About the WOMEN!
by Funchback inwomen still can't handle mic's, count money, count attendance, or give public talks.
"in the first century, some of (the women in the bible) had the privilege of ministering to jesus an his apostles.
("cook that lamb and wash the wine jugs, toots!").
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I always felt it was a little much the way the excluded women from anything extra. Even the new theocratic ministry school shows how the boys are favored. For a boy giving a talk is now as simple as reading a chapter in the bible or a few WT paragraphs. He doesn't even need to have an introduction or conclusion. But some of the girls are handed talk slips that require them to do their own research. presumably from bible based publications, without any source material given as a base. And yet the congregation still looks on the boy at the age of 10 giving a "talk" (reading) the same as teh girl at the age of 10 giving a talk (dialogue with many hours of research). It's such a double standard. They are both told to "reach out". But what is there for a girl to reach out to? She can't carry mics, she can't help with literature, she can't help with the sound department. So the boy is commended for his fine example and the girl scratches her head over what she is supposed to do.
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Government against the Jehovah's Witnesses ??? hhhhhmmmmmmm !!!!!!!
by run dont walk in.
okay, lets say for the sake of argument, and since they predict it anyways, if the governments of canada, usa, uk, etc said to the jw's no more religion, how many do you think would cave in to the pressure.
it's obvious to me, most jw's are not that into the religion, for most just a social affair, the real diehards who believe and do all is probaly 25 % or less.. would you or your family cave in to that pressure, or get stronger and say, see the end is near ??
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If the government were to do that a lot would see that as proof that the GB was right more so than anything. They would view the few who left as those who were caving in from pressure to Satan. I think most of the dubs would go down with the ship enduring government "presecution" and believing they were "suffering for Christ"
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Did You Ever Feel Refreshed As A Jehovah's Witness???
by minimus inthe "truth" is supposed to be sooo "refreshing".
the publications talk about how "happy and refreshed" witnesses always are.
was that your experience?
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Too much guilt for that. No matter how much you did that was "right" there was always things that you were doing that were less than right, things that could have been better, things you should do more, things you should do less. And any time you felt like maybe it was too much the guilt trip was laid on you that you should be doing it because you love Jehovah and if you feel that way you clearly have the wrong attitude and need to change. If you felt like you didn't have enough time for yourself you were made to feel guilty for not devoting more of your time to study and meetings and service and prayer. If you gave one comment you should have given two. If you placed two magazines you should have placed four. If you spent six hours in service you should have spent ten. You are reminded of the hardworking ones in the congregation that dont complain, the ones that push on despite illnesses, and who are you to want more time for yourself when you were given the gift of life! When others come out of the meetings feeling refreshed and you dont, you're made to feel guilty about that. No there was definitely too much guilt there. Maybe there wasn't when I was a small child but from as long as I was old enough to remember it was like that and I was always "trying to change" like a good little dub.
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Massachusetts backs gay marriage
by ignored_one inhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3281017.stm
massachusetts backs gay marriage the us state of massachusetts has ruled in favour of gay marriage.
the state's supreme judicial court ruled that that barring same-sex couples from the benefits of civil marriage was "unconstitutional.
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Mysterious
It's worth remembering that similar tactics were used a few decades ago to prevent interracial couples from marrying. A U.S. representative from Georgia once declared that allowing such a type of marriage "necessarily involves (the) degradation" of conventional marriage, an institution that "deserves admiration rather than execration." Interracial couples don't degrade marriage; neither do same-sex couples.
And of course the opposition speaks loudly:
Same-sex marriage is a "social weapon of mass destruction" that "would destroy civilization," Lou Sheldon, director of the Traditional Values Coalition, told Fox News.
"This is a great wound to human dignity that can never be justified," Vatican theologian Gino Concetti told Reuters.
I tend to agree with this statement:
Matt Foreman, NGLTF's director, noted that the week's sponsoring organizations were "fixated on attacking gay and lesbian people while largely ignoring the real problems facing married couples and American families."
Bush signed the marriage protection week declaration a little while back, but it didn't seem to be so much about strengthening marriages in our society so much as making sure to deny marriage to gay and lesbian couples. Incidentally marriage protection week started on National Coming Out Day and extended through the commemoration of Matthew Shepard's death. (who was killed for being gay)
A coalition of 29 conservative political and religious organizations created the campaign as a way to promote marriage between a man and a woman as "the God-ordained building block of the family and bedrock of a civil society."
If that isn't a religious agenda used to justify intolerance and equal rights for all I dont know what is.
The group also found that nine of the sponsors' Web sites (those that had search engines) had more documents containing the word "homosexual" (2,369) than documents containing marriage-threatening concepts like "divorce" (1,423) "poverty" (823) or "domestic violence" (190).
Oh the ironies in that!
"Marriage Protection Week roared in like a lion, but whimpered out in the end," said Dave Noble, executive director of the National Stonewall Democrats. "Most people saw it for what it was -- a thinly disguised anti-family political ploy."
And if there is one lesson to be learned in all this I think this guy said it:
"Marriage doesn't need protecting," Evan Wolfson, director of Freedom to Marry, told the Gay.com/PlanetOut.com Network. "When we win the freedom to marry, gay people will not use up all the marriage licenses. There is enough marriage to share."
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What Was "IT" That Finally Made You Leave The "Truth"?
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Mysterious
I was raised in the "truth" so I never had the opportunity to see things from any other viewpoint. I was always convinced as a child that I had studied other religious beliefs, but really I had only seen them from the distorted view the WT places on them. And I had only considered them as far as how to disprove them when speaking to someone else. When I started to realize how many people there were who didn't think of things like the WT did but who led good lives that was a major turning point.
I also realized that the WT always demonizes "worldy" people. When I started to become friends with people on the internet who were worldy and they treated me like a real human being who matter it was so much in contrast to what I had been taught from by the WT about how these people were.
Early on in my questioning of the "truth" was the hypocritical attitude I saw over how to treat people. Gay rights were prevalent in the news at the time and even though articles in the magazines were quick to point out that gays should not be singled out for any special abuse from Christians that was exactly what I saw in the congregation. Every meeting someone went on a gay bashing tirade, every bible reading covered those same verses of condemnation, every car group in service was full of people who wanted to talk about how evil "those people" were, how disgusting "those people" were. It became very wearing. I started researching the bible verses in question and realized there was a certain amount of uncertainty and misinterpretation present, but it was all presented as fact. When I realized there were other Christian denominations who would love and accept me for being gay I'd had enough of the WT and that was that.
From that point on I started to unravel the scandals, the false doctrines. Pretty soon there was not much left of what I had been taught. I don't consider myself to be in the "truth" anymore, but unfortunate circumstances are still responsible for me being dragged to meetings and door to door, hell I'm still stuck giving talks. I can't wait to get out, it can not possible come soon enough. Good riddance!
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Started to not attend the meetings
by mineralogist init is kind of a strange feeling.
not, that i would miss the meetings, but somehow i feel, that brothers and sisters will ask for explanations why i didn t come, and for me i have to honestly point out, that i wouldn t feel my beliefs being strengthens.
the fear to loose all friends and so on.
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Mysterious
Also, it is possible that the elders will call by to "readjust your thinking" on such matters. (I wonder if this expression is still used?)
Yep, they still love that term. And the good little dubs are supposed to welcome such re-adjustment as counsel from God.
Once she realized how accepted she was by the "normal" people, it was not even an issue.
The WT emphasizes from day one that the dubs should expect to be "different" "no part of this world" "hated by the world" etc. It's no suprise that even when people get out they still expect to be treated with this attitude from "worldly ones". It's great how accepting friends and associates often are in contrast with how the WT portrays them.
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New on silent lambs regards vicki boer case
by needs_lots insilent lambs just sent me this.
i thought you all might like to read it.. http://www.silentlambs.org/newsletter/newsletteritem.cfm?sendoutid=157 .
i would love an opinion.. vicki
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Mysterious
What a contrast to the way the WT's lawyers are presented at conventions--as "righteous" ones pursuing godly interests and defending "the truth" against "vicious propaganda" the media spreads about the organization. In reality they are out for a win for the WT no matter who the target or what the cost.
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Can someone please explain
by blacksheep ini've been out of the org so long that my memory is fading as to exactly what their rationale is for not celebrating thanksgiving.. i was speaking to my dad, whose not a jw but a supporter of it (for my mom's sake), and he was for some reason informing me of my mom and his attempts next week to take a relative (for whom they are caretakers) up to visit my aunt and uncle (several 200 miles away) for thanksgiving.
but he made sure to inform me how my mom and he would not eat with them (they'd go somewhere, like a movie, for a while).
again, forgive me, i've been out too long.
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Mysterious
Personally I think it's their way of keeping members closer to the organization than worldy friends, co-workers, and relatives. It sets them out as "different" that lovely striven for quality that sets their children up as targets in schools and keeps them from making ties that would help support them should they leave the organization. All under the guise of "bad association spoils useful habits". More like worried someone will show them the real truth.