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  Baptismal Pool

  by Sunspot in

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  2. scandals

  the other day i received an email from a man in croatia, who sent me and someone else a copy of a picture from a wts magazine.

  i wasn't quite sure about the contents, but it looked to be legitimate----but being in croatian i was not sure of what it actually said and i ended up putting it aside intending to check it out (if possible) and then forgetting all about it.

  he had also sent this to another person, who went to the trouble of verifying the facts and getting an understanding of what was being said in the picture.

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  Atilla

  I have to agree with Old Hippie on this one. Nothing to see here.
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  My first time here

  by Samdownunder in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi i was just wondering, is it really different being in the witness religion as a full- fledged member than when you are studying with them.

  are you treated differently or is all this "control" people talk about over exaggerated?

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  Atilla

  Welcome Sam, I think you will enjoy your time here.

  If you have been "in" or studying for 9 years, you should have a clear picture by now of how things really work and not how they say things will work. Also, you've probably noticed a level of frustration and maybe even some distancing by the rest of the cong. towards you.

  I remember a guy who was studying, was very interested, wanted to go out in field service like the first month. The first year, everyone loved him. Then something weird happened, he slowed down a little and decided not to get baptized after the first year. You could see the impatience by the cong. and then there was this cooling off in the love shown this new unbaptized publisher. Almost as if the cong. was saying, "You get back to us when you are serious, and want to get baptized"

  Also, by far one of the best websites if you haven't seen it yet.

  http://quotes.watchtower.ca/
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  my first family prayer since the fade...

  by Surfacing in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it has been some months since my wife and i left the org.

  my mother is an absolute zealot, and had heard through the grapevine (aka the underground policing comitee; we live in a different circuit and district now) that we haven't been to meetings.

  she is the last vestige of guilt that i have remaining about leaving, though not in the conventional sense.

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  Atilla

  Your prayer sounds honest and I wish you the best of luck. I no longer pray but I do talk to myself frequently, does that count?

  Looking back, I think it's kinda a funny how JW's always talk about no giving rote prayers, but their prayers often end up sounding the same in the end anyways. Plus, maybe it's good to concentrate on a few things instead of constantly jumping around like dubs do.
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  A good little story.

  by Atilla in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well, college is starting up next week for me and i had to go to campus today to pick up my books.

  one of my friends from work as well as college has been nagging me all summer about this friend of his who is a jw.

  my friend told me that they hang out all the time but often argue about religion.

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  Atilla

  Well, college is starting up next week for me and I had to go to campus today to pick up my books. One of my friends from work as well as college has been nagging me all summer about this friend of his who is a JW. My friend told me that they hang out all the time but often argue about religion. His JW friend is inactive but still strongly defends the JW religion and that is what they argue about when they are out drinking.

  Now, usually I don't get involved in these things, but I agreed to meet with him and his JW friend today on campus. By this time in my life, I have fallen into my role as an apostate quite well. I have my books, my UN pdf, and a list of helpful websites, and best of all my life story. Well, we talked for over an hour, but I saw the glazed over the dubs face, and decided to end it. He didn't disagree with anything I said but seemed very confused as to what direction he wanted to go in.

  In talking with him, I found it totally amazing that even though his parents practically shun him and his own sister wrote him a letter saying stating her disapproval in his low meeting attendence, he was still defending the WT. Shocking but I was once in his shoes and I know how difficult it is go against everything you ever believed. I ended by saying, what is the end game? He is about 20, so I said where is all of this going, will you still believe in JWism even if the year 2070 comes and goes with no Armageddon. He said emphatically yes, I will believe until the day I die, unbelievable.

  Well, it was scary to go back to all those memories but I realize that I can't run from the past or pretend that I was never a JW. However, I also know I can't let the bitterness consume my life. I guess I will muddle through, everyday is one more day of new freedom.
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  Jehovah's Celestial Chariot. More WT Fun.

  by Englishman in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what a marvelous heavenly organization is revealed by this vision of jehovah?s four-wheeled celestial chariot on the move!

  ) that chariotlike organization was then on the move, even as it is today.

  ) if we are jehovah?s witnesses, we must move in the same direction as the celestial chariot.

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  Atilla

  I think God's chariot has broken down and she is now using public transportation.
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  stuck in!

  by red so deep in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  well, this is my first post here, and i'm kind of doing it in secret, cause i know if my parents knew of my "poisoning myself with apostates" they would not be happy at all.

  anyways, my story is; i'm 17, i've been brought up "in the truth" my whole life, and now i'm starting to question the wt and christianity in general, and i have nobody to talk to about it.

  i feel awkward about talking to my witness friends about it, cause i worry that if i speak out against the organazition and the wrong people (i.e; young ones around here that would never think of questioning the society) hear about it, it might result in my punishment (reproof or dfing).

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  Atilla

  Welcome Andrew

  I wish I would have questioned my belief system when I was your age. Your doing so shows remarkable courage. If I were you, I would take it slow for now, seeing that you are still living with your parents. Perhaps, you could tell your parents you want to go to college. This may be the best way out for you. You will be able to move out hopefully, maybe even a safe distance from all of your current JW friends and think independently for awhile. Going to college will also give you an excuse to brush off meetings and field service.

  By your second year of college, you could make your stand and just let your parents and others know how you feel. Hopefully, they will be able to respect you for that.

  I would call it a college fade.
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  Thank those who helped you out of the Org

  by Nosferatu in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  here's a thread for all of you to thank those who helped you make your way out of the org.

  i'll start.. i'd like to thank my ex-fiance for the support that she had given me when i needed it the most.

  when i was faced with the elders coming to give me a shepharding call, she had given me the encouragement to stand up to them, and tell them truly how i felt.

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  The exbethel guy in my KH who was rife with jealousy because he had gotten married and couldn't get back into Bethel. Anywho, he suggested that I volunteer at Walkhill for 2 weeks so I could see what it was like, and then maybe get accepted. Well, after I saw the misery on everyone's face there and particualarly the young Bethel kid I hung out with, I came back home disallusioned.

  Funny thing, I had my full time application ready, and I was going to hand it in, but after the first week, I knew I wasn't going to hand it in. I came home and pretended I had lots of fun but in reality I was ready to quit. I only pioneered for a few more months and then began to look at colleges while I told my parents I was out in service. It was all downhill from there.
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  J.W.'s just don't seem to be as strict anymore, what happened?

  by Atilla in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  let me explain.

  i have been inactive for about 3 years now, i just walked away.

  i was quiet at first but as i began to find out more and more about the deceptions of the wt, i have been more and more vocal in my viewpoints to my parents and former jw friends.. this past month has been very busy for me.

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  Atilla

  I'm also out there looking for the truth but thats just plain wrong to confront them with half witted knowledge

  Hey, welcome to the board but I think you got it all wrong. I'm only confronting people who confronted me in the first place claiming they knew it all when in reality they were just as clueless. What I bring them are just the facts such as the WT being an official U.N. N.G.O. for about ten years, a fact the society will admit, just call them 718-560-5600. They willingly signed up, just ask them.

  I'm not out trying to baptize anyone, I'm just standing up for myself and making it known that you don't mess with me or my family.

  Oh, and it's so true about dubs never getting back to you. My parents are still "researching" the UN thing.
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  Did you Suffer for Service?

  by Mysterious in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  didnt you love being dragged door to door as a kid in the wind and snow, sub zero temperature wearing a skirt and you were told to smile and inform the householder you wanted to be there?

  (dragged out of bed at the crack of dawn on one of the few days you should have off from school) .

  and then there is that wonderful service car.

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  Atilla

  Gee, you guys had it bad. Like I said, there was about 8 of us pioneers who were ages 18 to 24 and we were in total control. We barely turned the music down when we got to the door. We did lots of crazy stuff out in service and never got counseled. We'd go to the mall, play golf, just drive around, take two hour lunches, hell, even see a movie, no problem. It wasn't really work, just part time fun.
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  Did you Suffer for Service?

  by Mysterious in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  didnt you love being dragged door to door as a kid in the wind and snow, sub zero temperature wearing a skirt and you were told to smile and inform the householder you wanted to be there?

  (dragged out of bed at the crack of dawn on one of the few days you should have off from school) .

  and then there is that wonderful service car.

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  Atilla

  To be honest, I kinda liked service. Of course their were some moments that sucked but in general I had a good time. I enjoy talking to people, seeing new places-houses, eating out and best of all, hanging out with my friends all day. When I first started pioneering, our small rural KH had 12 pioneers, more than half of the pioneers were my closest friends who were my age. We were in charge, formed the car groups how we liked them, rocked out to music the entire day, ate out 3 times a day, and kept the time rolling baby. It was a lot of fun and I did have like 6 Bible studies at the time.

  It was around the second year that we started to get older, friends started to drop out, and the hypocrisy became too much.