i heard some time ago that have never been any district conventions in las vegas........anyone know for sure?
there must at least be circuit assemblies ........... if this is true........where do all these ones have to go for a district convention?........
(la is about 6 hours, last time i travelled it)
I heard some time ago that have never been any District Conventions in Las Vegas........anyone know for sure? There must at least be Circuit assemblies ..........
If this is true........where do all these ones have to go for a District Convention?........(LA is about 6 hours, last time I travelled it)
the watchtower tries to slander and abuse anyone not on their side.
anyone that disagrees with them, "runs ahead of jehovah".
we are called "apostates" because we dare prove why the society is wrong.
I think there is an extremely successful movement against the Watchtower..........not that it's some kind of organization itself.
Now you can read virtually any secret document, letter, etc. put out by the Governing Body........the elder's manuals even. At our last elder's school.......it was mentioned if anyone wanted a new book (the elder's Pay Attention) they might as well just download the whole thing from the internet.
It's evident that some of the "apostates" must be getting good information regularly right from the Bethels themselves at times.
I'm not the only one who has stumbled on this type of information...........even our CO must be perusing either watchtowernews.org, or this website, because some of the examples he gave were word for word what was being discussed (it was a current lawsuit).
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up until a few years ago......every dec. km had a part encouraging everyone to go in the ministry on the holidays.......christmas day, etc.. no one ever got too excited about it in our cong.
.........it was pretty much a joke to everyone even when commenting on it during the meeting part.. that no longer seems to be the case..........haven't seen any parts like this for a few years now......i guess they've given up completely.. the meeting part usually included some "fine experiences"......but i have heard exactly the opposite from some who actually tried it one time.. have any of you ever went in service on christmas day?
Minimus......don't know if this was happening in your area, but even the circuit overseers seem to have skirted around this in recent years........they always seem to schedule their pioneer schools, or elders schools around this time of year.
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i'm always willing to give a religion a chance, especially when i don't know much about it.
does this represent islam's view of women?.
Hi Sirona..........looking at some of Islam's beliefs do make Witnesses look a little less controversial.......
Islam is full of do's and don'ts...........shows what can happen when trying to live by a rigid code.....which will never keep up to changing world conditions, as opposed to living by principles......which never go out of date.
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up until a few years ago......every dec. km had a part encouraging everyone to go in the ministry on the holidays.......christmas day, etc.. no one ever got too excited about it in our cong.
.........it was pretty much a joke to everyone even when commenting on it during the meeting part.. that no longer seems to be the case..........haven't seen any parts like this for a few years now......i guess they've given up completely.. the meeting part usually included some "fine experiences"......but i have heard exactly the opposite from some who actually tried it one time.. have any of you ever went in service on christmas day?
Up until a few years ago......every Dec. KM had a part encouraging everyone to go in the ministry on the holidays.......Christmas day, etc.
No one ever got too excited about it in our cong. .........it was pretty much a joke to everyone even when commenting on it during the meeting part.
That no longer seems to be the case..........haven't seen any parts like this for a few years now......I guess they've given up completely.
The meeting part usually included some "fine experiences"......but I have heard exactly the opposite from some who actually tried it one time.
Have any of you ever went in service on Christmas Day?
........reply to joker 10.
.......i just noticed your post........can't say i blame you for thinking that.
i mentioned i'm currently an elder and don't plan on leaving the organization...........but i probably won't be an elder much longer......as i'm not exactly the "ball of fire" they want.
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.......I just noticed your post........can't say I blame you for thinking that. I mentioned I'm currently an elder and don't plan on leaving the organization...........but I probably won't be an elder much longer......as I'm not exactly the "ball of fire" they want. There are already numerous topics I would have to not accept as assignments, as I don't agree with the "current" teaching.
I also find many paragraphs I couldn't (in good conscience) comment on for the same reason........
Many of the watchtower discussions I enjoy the most are found right here on this website.......(good research, Blondie)
I also no longer contribute to the world-wide work.........I feel more Christian donating to other causes, which seem to provide more tangible results for people.......
Without going into too much detail.........I do try to include relevant history of what Jehovah's Witnesses used to believe........on the platform and elsewhere.........just so people remember we haven't been perfect and don't know everything.
It's frustrating to see the attitude of those in charge.......so ready to criticize other beliefs and religions, and yet so unwilling to accept valid criticism themselves.
does the marriage of an active jw have to be to another active and practicing jw?
Just a note on the way this is handled in this country.........standard to have a "marking talk" regarding the individual..........strongly emphasized also is for no-one in the cong. to attend the wedding.
If a servant was to attend- he would be automatically deleted from that position.
It also seems that it's very unclear as to when (if ever) this "marking" is to end.
I recall several instances where the person would have been better off disfellowshipped.......and eventually re-instated rather than being essentially treated the same by marking, and having it go on indefinitely.
It seems to have been re-emphasized more frequently in the last couple of years, also, whether regular meeting parts, or at assemblies.
hello.........this is a first for me- i've been reading some of your messages for some time now, and i must say you guys study your watchtower far better than i ever did.
i'm still a part of the congregation (and an elder), but i have to say i agree with many of your criticisms of the organization.
we've become just like the pharisees that jesus condemned............at our last assembly, the do and co warned against apostate material over and over again..........so i certainly think you're having a tremendous impact on their actions.
reply to minimus
Why do you think that you would never leave????......You seem adamant. Care to expound??
I've got too many friends and family in the organization.........would be too high a price to pay.......
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you mention the intensified warnings about listening to alternate ideas (aka apostates), do you think this intensity is actually counter productive in their terms, as it will breed curiosity and lack of trust?
Yes, I think it is.........most in our cong. watched the Dateline/ Fifth estate shows about child abuse.......yet the DO kept saying it was all lies........villified everyone for even watching or talking about it. But you can tell people realize these aren't "all lies"........the organization seems to react in a very un-christian manner toward these victims.
I don't know if it's like this in other areas of the world, but here we're told which weddings we can attend, which funerals we can go to..............many are forced to avoid funerals of even close relatives.......just at a time when they need compassion the most.
It'll be interesting to see the results of the recent service year........in this area I know of many rural congs. that have been disbanded, as well as some in the larger centers. In a neighboring district, there have even been an entire circuit deleted.
hello.........this is a first for me- i've been reading some of your messages for some time now, and i must say you guys study your watchtower far better than i ever did.
i'm still a part of the congregation (and an elder), but i have to say i agree with many of your criticisms of the organization.
we've become just like the pharisees that jesus condemned............at our last assembly, the do and co warned against apostate material over and over again..........so i certainly think you're having a tremendous impact on their actions.
Thanks for all the great expresstions.................nice to be able to say what you really think for a change. I'm not planning on ever leaving the organization..............it's kind of like "Hotel California"........(you can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave) ........but I am going to "check out" other people's opinions.........it's obvious to me our organization doesn't have all the answers.
I was wondering if any of you feel the morals taught at the Kingdom Hall have benefited you, even if you're no longer associated. Has it at least made you a better person?
I'm still a little paranoid about this......I'll likely only post from a public terminal...but I look forward to reading more of your comments.
hello.........this is a first for me- i've been reading some of your messages for some time now, and i must say you guys study your watchtower far better than i ever did.
i'm still a part of the congregation (and an elder), but i have to say i agree with many of your criticisms of the organization.
we've become just like the pharisees that jesus condemned............at our last assembly, the do and co warned against apostate material over and over again..........so i certainly think you're having a tremendous impact on their actions.
Hello.........this is a first for me- I've been reading some of your messages for some time now, and I must say you guys study your Watchtower far better than I ever did. I'm still a part of the congregation (and an elder), but I have to say I agree with many of your criticisms of the organization. We've become just like the Pharisees that Jesus condemned............at our last assembly, the DO and CO warned against apostate material over and over again..........so I certainly think you're having a tremendous impact on their actions.
I know I'm not supposed to be here either, but I don't regard you as ones to be shunned........the Bible only reserves that for ones who have rejected Jesus, not limited to ones who believe differently than the Watchtower.
Hopefully the organization will change eventually...........if it does it will be by efforts such as all of yours..........until then, I'm now just like the Catholics we have always criticized.........I don't accept many of the beliefs forced upon us.........and I've simplified my talks drastically, emphasizing basic things such as "do onto others".......etc.
I know others in the congregation are starting to become more balanced.........hopefully they will learn to "do the math" also.
