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Organ donation
by dothemath in
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i'm sure very few (if any) jw's donate organs, with the paranoia about blood, etc.

years ago it was condemned as "cannabilism".. yet now, it's okay to accept an organ donation..........at least some organs, anyway.

(i recall a life experience in the awake where the individual benefited from a kidney transplant).
This sounds much like many Witness experiences.
by dothemath in
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just ran across an account from someone in the worldwide church of god.

sound familiar?.

i was a wcg member from 1974 to 1979, attending the portland, oregon and phoenix, arizona churches.
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Resurrection of husbands, wives.
by dothemath in
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at the district convention.......we had a very touching experience of an elder who lost his wife fairly recently.

his comments gave the distinct impression he was going to be reunited with her in the new system............"jehovah is opening his hand and satisfying the desires of every living soul".......is the scripture he focused on.. that's certainly understandable.......i'm sure any of us in the same situation would feel similiarly.......but.......there was certainly no mention of the fact that those resurrected would be "as angels in heaven"(matt.

22: 30), and would no longer be given in marriage.. this is a topic i think the society is steering clear of........you have to go back quite a few years to see it commented on in detail.
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Watchtower and parents
by dothemath in
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there has been a lot of advice given to parents from the organization over the years.........mainly "don't have any"............ it seems that the ones who would make the best parents (from the society's point of view) are the very ones following this counsel and for the most part are deciding against children.

our cong.

has many childless couples...........they're very theocratic.. this results (in many cases) the not so "spiritually strong" individuals being the ones who are raising families in many congregations.. (i mentioned recently about a pioneer couple being interviewed at a district convention several years ago.........when asked by the do about their goals...........they mentioned they had "vowed" to never own a house, and "vowed" to never have children...........do said "that's great!
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Length of creative days.
by dothemath in
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now that we're starting to read the bible at the beginning again.........i was wondering if this subject has ever been discussed.. the length of the creative days........used to be considered 7000 years in length.......stated rather dogmatically up until around the mid 1980's.

(aid book says this......insight book does not) of course....this is quite rediculous.......... more recent publications don't stress this .........just periods of time.......... yet there was never anything published to indicate how wrong this old view was.........done very gradually.......i think some still think the creative days were still 7000 years long.. if this topic has come up before.....maybe someone could post a link to it..
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Franz and Penton
by dothemath in
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would some of you still be in the organization if these two individual's reforms had been adopted?.

ironically..........i think the society is gradually moving in the direction of some of their ideas......... 0ne example..........i recall a tv interview in which james penton (whom i met when he was still a witness) made the argument that blood transfusions should be allowed in an emergency ........and used the example of david and his men eating the "show bread" while on the run from saul........normally totally off-limits but okay in this case.. this thinking was of course condemned by the society........but i wouldn't be surprised if that idea resurfaces some day because of all the back-tracking on this stand, as well as many blood components now being allowed.
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Las Vegas
by dothemath in
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i heard some time ago that have never been any district conventions in las vegas........anyone know for sure?

there must at least be circuit assemblies ........... if this is true........where do all these ones have to go for a district convention?........

(la is about 6 hours, last time i travelled it)
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The Society has given up on "holiday witnessing"
by dothemath in
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up until a few years ago......every dec. km had a part encouraging everyone to go in the ministry on the holidays.......christmas day, etc.. no one ever got too excited about it in our cong.

.........it was pretty much a joke to everyone even when commenting on it during the meeting part.. that no longer seems to be the case..........haven't seen any parts like this for a few years now......i guess they've given up completely.. the meeting part usually included some "fine experiences"......but i have heard exactly the opposite from some who actually tried it one time.. have any of you ever went in service on christmas day?
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So you think I'm a hypocrite?
by dothemath in
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........reply to joker 10.

.......i just noticed your post........can't say i blame you for thinking that.

i mentioned i'm currently an elder and don't plan on leaving the organization...........but i probably won't be an elder much longer......as i'm not exactly the "ball of fire" they want.
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this website is having an impact
by dothemath in
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hello.........this is a first for me- i've been reading some of your messages for some time now, and i must say you guys study your watchtower far better than i ever did.

i'm still a part of the congregation (and an elder), but i have to say i agree with many of your criticisms of the organization.

we've become just like the pharisees that jesus condemned............at our last assembly, the do and co warned against apostate material over and over again..........so i certainly think you're having a tremendous impact on their actions.