from "family values" to "suv" american politics is full of buzz-words.
the apparent willingness of both the left and the right in america to embrace and use terms that are difficult or impossible to define has always amused me.
(of course, perhaps i'm just easily amused.
Just a guess... but the top gun looks like the gun my son just bought for air-soft and something about those little covers replicating the look of holding the electronics for a hair trigger...
Thats the only thing I can come up with... and, uh, that's tougher than those diner placemats I used to do with the kids...
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leolaia...recomended to me carl jung so i did a little search,,i find his theory of the collective unconscious fasinating here is a neat essay on the subject:.
http://lcc.ctc.edu/faculty/dmccarthy/engl204/seven-lecture.htm
This is a tough crowd...
As with everything in life, until you've experienced it first hand or learned of it from a reliable, trustworthy source second-hand -- you are either cynical, skeptical, or simply unbelieving... That also comes with the territory of being told what to believe while in the troof...
Belief in the Collective Unconscious is not about believing in Voodoo...
Two weeks ago my grandfather went into the hospital and I felt the urge to see him (I thought this might make him feel better). When I arrived at the hospital I went up to his room and he smiled and said he was happy to see me. Weird!
This very well may have been syncronicity from your grandfathers point-of-view... lets see... Did he tell you anything new that day... did he actually looks relaxed while you where there... or, as I have done many times in life, my myop(t)ic approach to another individuals reality leaves them little room to disclose what they are truly thinking and feeling...
Just an idea... but stop by and ask one of the nurses if your visit meant anything to him... I'm really curious Bradley... how many HOURS did he talk about your short visit... how many times did he get to feel larger than life after you left by bragging about you... How many endorphins kicked into action because he can't stand your presence... endorphins that needed activated to raise his blood pressure to help him recover... you see, even negative aura's have a positive life-fullfilling impact on others... I don't know and you don't know... but I don't doubt for a minute that what you say is true... I just bet that your gandfathers sense of life and sharing pathways means more to him than "wierd"...
Do I believe in ESP or mental telepathy or mind control ? hmmm... let me think about it... you'll be the 1st to know.
One Ugly Time
is this jehovah's witnesses annonymous?
hi... i'm octavia, and i'm an ex-jehovah's witness.
Hi.
Now that the small talk is out of the way... I think I'll make my way to the other room... Hope to see you there...
what is really the most disturbing thing to me is that i really do feel that i was brainwashed in those 20 + years in the org--i mean seriously brainwashed.
i am not an idiot, but there were times that i look back on now where i was a radical jw, though this is not really my personality to be such.
i remember after assemblies (while greatly relieved it was over with aching back and all) i would feel different--sometimes i would start donating more money to the wt and at one point i seriously thought of puttingthe wt in my will.
As others mentioned, there are a number of books on this subject... It is very well researched and by the turn of the 20th century many, many organizations where putting these techniques into practice... On a simpler level, even Tony Robbins practices a number of the techniques spelt out in the research.
Another social (and sometimes socially accepted) form of these techniques is called seduction. Reading the book "The Art of Seduction" was very enlightening with regards to how another individual (or organization) can form "emotional" bonds by pacing your needs; spinning subtle webs of deception; "Retractions" and subtly worded statements ("conscious" Freudian slips); and a whole host of planned spontaneity (sp?)... then, after they have an emotional tie (trust), they begin leading you... unless the trust is severly broken, you can lead virtually anywhere...
Did you ever read one thing in the Watchtower, and think it said one thing but then heard it explained slightly different, either by an elder or even 2 paragraphs later ? That type of stuff plays havoc on the mind -- and I believe possibly more so with "intelligent" minds that like to rationalize and understand... It hurts to not understand... so, you begin to adjust your view of life so that it all makes sense....
I am rambling tonight... but I don't really wonder too much about this anymore... It has been developed throughout the years by the elitist of the elite; such as Cleopatra and Don Juan types... they were just people that appeared to be saviors to those that followed... and follow to death they would... Recent history has begun documenting these lives and why they had the affect on others that they had... and even the US government has been testing and researching these theories for years... MK-Ultra and Phoenix are scary to read about. Reading this literature helped put my childhood into a different perspective...
If I walk into the middle of the street and get hit by a car, it's my fault... I'm to blame... but the car had to exist for the event to occur. However, in the same vein, if the same thing happened to a child, you can blame the child all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that someone much older, wiser and supposedly caring, trusting, and nourishing failed THEIR responsibilities by either allowing the event to occur or failing to show unconditional love, which includes teaching for the sake of the child not the for the sake of the parent...
wow... Im on a roll... gnite all.
One Ugly Time ... make that Nine Ugly Times...
Once upon a time... darkly...
Have a great trip and enjoy the time with your son :)
Celty Mark --
How did you end up with the harem
And may I add, I'm not Exquisite, I'm not a ladie, I'm not graceful, and I still enjoyed the pics...
Made my day just letting you know that you put on an awesome show
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just commented on recent topic titled: who do you blame for the time you wasted as a dub?
this questions got my brain tweaking in some different directions.
some who i admire and respect the opinions of said that they no longer blame anyone and that blaming is a waste of energy.
Cyber-sista --
It is not always a personal choice to be a JW if you are born and bred into the cult (brainwashed) or if you come into it during a weak point in your life (my case) and are manipulated and then used by them because of your vunerability at the time.
I was raised in the troof from 2-18... I had no idea the impact on my way of thinking until much, much later in life... around 40 years old. Blame... Spit balls of blame came firing out... I couldn't begin to process the rawness that I felt through-out my body, mind & soul when these feelings began to surface...
I started reading, reading & reading... not just reading the words, in fact, I can't even remember most of the books I read the first time... I read to allow my feelings to process... to walk in others shoes and relate to their stories... some of the best material for my healing process has been that which I learned about the greiving process, co-depnedecy, & mind-control/emotional abuse...
Change constitutes loss... sometimes we leave good things for better things; or even leave good things for unknowns but hopeing for better -- as a result of our need for growth. All losses that are acknowledged require grieving... during this process we are extremely vunerable, that is human nature ie. the belief in the good of mankind. When we are vulnerable, and someone listens or lends a hand and helps us heal from our current losses -- we begin to trust. That is the process; and constitutes growth when each time we successfully travel beyond... However, it shatters the soul when we learn that our trust was given prematurely or that others mistook our healing and thankfulness as acceptance of their ways... or, when we feel that others preyed upon us during our time of vulnerability only to gain our trust so that THEIR intentions and motives where met at the SACRIFICE of our well being. When this occurs, not only is the current loss extremely painful, but it is possible that a number of losses in life we be reviewed... we are no longer certain of our reality... we need to take a step back and try to find who we were, where we went wrong, and whether or not our previous losses where fully grieved.
The grief process is not only different for each individual, but has different depths to it, sometimes cycling back and forth as we begin to expose our true selves. I copied a small section of the Kubler-Ross model... It doesn't mention blaming per se, but if you sit quietly... you will discover which part of the process this reaction is coming from... For me, it was immediately following my "awareness" which would mean I had grown past denial (20 years worth)... The anger was/is extremely hard to deal with constructively. I did my share of blaming -- but it does get better.
The Kubler-Ross (1969) Model .
Elizabeth Kubler-Ross developed a stage model learned from these patients who were coping with their own death. These five stages have been widely used as a general framework for caregivers working with individuals experiencing personal loss, (a) first stage: Denial and Isolation, a first reaction to the awareness of the loss, typically by the statement, "No, not me, it cannot be true.", (b) second stage: Anger, a shift in thought from "it cannot be true," to the reaction, "Oh, yes, it is me, it was not a mistake.", (c) third stage: Bargaining, an attempt at an agreement to postpone or to bargain for more time, (d) fourth stage: Depression, a reaction to letting go of anger is followed by a sense of intense loss, (e) fifth stage: Acceptance, a stage where the individual is neither depressed or angry. The individual has worked through feelings of loss and has found some peace (Kubler-Ross, 1969, p. 38-113).
But how do you get your head around this one? I am just asking because I truthfully don't know.
I am still searching for and working on the answer to this one. I am starting to believe the following --
Get your head out of it. It happened. Don't justify, excuse, deny, bargain, apologize, or use any other means of rationalization. It happened. It's painful to realize that my own weaknesses allowed it happen, but now that I realize what those weaknesses are I have opportunity for growth.
Trust the process. It works. Some people attend meetings; however I found them to be too much of a reminder of previous meetings I had been to -- opening prayer, rules, guidelines, etc. I needed a friend... period... It takes a lot of starting and stopping and re-starting to find the one(s) you can trust to open up to; but it can be done.
6 Degrees of Relating. Based on the concept of the movie (that exact title I forget), we are at MOST removed from everyone else in the world through 6 contacts. That means, to me, I have the ability in some way, by my actions and the words I speak to have an influence -- on a child that wants to be a scientist, on a student that wants to travel, on a teenager that wants out of drugs, on a firefighter that can't rescue any more, on you... whom I don't know... to in turn, help a victim become a survivor. [Or destroy a destructive cult and prevent innocent people from becoming victims]
jgnat - What a painful expression of awakening and reality...
This woman is too busy living to focus on blame any more. She has taken ownership for her life, and has moved on. Free!
If this is you... congratulations... The last time I wrote such deep, emotional feelings the ending said "Free... almost"... Hope to be there soon.
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((( talesin ))) ---.
sending hugs your way.... for today, and every other day that you may need them... .
one ugly time
((( Talesin ))) ---
Sending hugs your way.... For today, and every other day that you may need them...
One Ugly Time
i sincerely and unrservedly apologize for any condescending behavior on my part.
being an idiot, and expressing myself as poorly as i do, i am capable of the most outrageously stupid posts.
i look back on what i have said, and i cringe at how stupid i sound.
((( BT ))) -
Thanks for being there for me...
The stories on this board that you have shared and the PM's that you kindly and whole-heartedly replied to helped me through some very dark, ugly, and scary nights... I read those PM's over and over for days, letting the tears overwhelm me... they brought back memories of a distorted childhood, a shell of a teenage life, an internal struggle for sanity that has been with me for years... all of it, brought to the surface... but I kept reading them, over and over, taking a day off of work, and feeling my feelings as I battled the loneliness in my soul... bringing the anger and sadness to a level of awareness that I thought was going to crush me... I sent you messages as I worked through those emotions and restrained myself from communicating with anyone other than you for that week.... Do you remember that week Chris... I'm sure you do, but then again, maybe not... but I always will.... you didn't let me down... you walked the whole path with me... you're a good man, Chris...
We have no apologies to make for our lives... it has been hard fought and hard won... it has brought great joy and great sorrow... and your wife and children love you dearly... sleep well...
One Ugly Time
