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Letter to elders when marriage mate confess adultery

by scrubmaster in

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friends

i understand from talking to some one who had some knowledge of the situation but could not find the reference material , that the society has something in writing which says if a person believes they are scripturally free and that they are willing to stand before jehovah and face the consquences they can get married -- (this in effect leave the elders out of the equation and they can not do anything to you.

) does anyone know where this reference can be found -- i need it as soon as possible.

i can not find it.

scrubmaster

The bottom line is that the WTS leaves it down to the individual BOE to judge what is admissible.

Thanks for the insight -- I have already faced what you are talking about. I have talked to several people in which their BOE would have taken the original information I presented to them. I have since provided more information to the elders. However, I am not going to let them keep me from getting married. When I called Bethel and spoke to the brothers there about my situation and how it was not right -- the brother had a nerve to say to me, he would have to face the same thing, I said to him no you would not have, because you have the flock book and would now how to get out of the situation. I also told him I am not afraid to be DFD as I do not see where it was showing mercy to ask people to do the impossible to prove scriptural freedom and I know the person has committed adultery. In my last letter to them, I challenged them with this line of reasoning -- I guarantee that most infidelity happened during the day like places of employment and not at night - how many married people can stay some where over night.......I see it as wanting to control a person life...

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Would you pay $1000US for PROOF of WT-UN NGO status?

by Scully in

time left:

18 hours 40 mins .

10-day listing .

scrubmaster

Guys -- I agree with JT -- Witnesses will just take the information and say it was okay for the society to be a part on the UN -- one person told me it is like Paul making reference to using the world but not using it to the full( Of course why use something which is against God's purpose) -- the funny thing is -- we will all be accountable before God. I keep telling people the religious leaders lost favor before God because they added to the law -- It is not for me to judge I will see what happens when judgment day comes( I realize some may not not believe in a judgement day, but I still see the bible as being very real will live by it) -- this is just my two cent. As I have learned in my critical thinking class people will not think for themselves -- they would rather let other people tell them what to do. Also people like to feel like they belong -- therefore sometimes they will just shut their eyes to things which are not right and keep there mouth shut.

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Paranoia about APOSTATES....Relentless

by wannaexit in

just got the watchtower feb 15/04.

this is what it reads : .

apostates may claim to worship jehovah and to believe the bible, but they reject the visible part of his organization......under divine inspiration, the bible writers used strong words to expose the motives and the methods of apostates.. what is it that apostates want?

scrubmaster

This will keep people from asking about the UN and pedophile cases -- interesting they mention they don't the whole truth and yet if an outsider or someone like myselfs makes this statement I would be considered an apostate.

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Details on Files Kept in the Cong.

by Blueblades in

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friends

what exactly is put into the file on those who are disfellowedshipped?is the information very detailed,so that others can read such details,or is it just that they have been disfellowedshipped.. for example:suppose someone have been df.for a sexual matter,brother or sister.are the details descriptive of what was committed or is just that they were df.i know that on the outside of the envelope the name is posted and that's it.but if someone were to open the folder and look inside can they get the detailed information on that person?.

when do the elders destroy such folders?can a person who no longer wishes to come back get their records and destroy them themselves?.

blueblades

scrubmaster

By the way -- I though the bible said a person should not keep account of injury and that Jehovah does not continually recall sins to mind -- therefore record keeping of sins would be going against Jehovah's word -- especially if it is going to be used in some possible future case against a person -- Jehovah did not remind David of his serious sin once he made other mistakes -- I wonder how Jehovahs feels about this ? Hum

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Details on Files Kept in the Cong.

by Blueblades in

jw
friends

what exactly is put into the file on those who are disfellowedshipped?is the information very detailed,so that others can read such details,or is it just that they have been disfellowedshipped.. for example:suppose someone have been df.for a sexual matter,brother or sister.are the details descriptive of what was committed or is just that they were df.i know that on the outside of the envelope the name is posted and that's it.but if someone were to open the folder and look inside can they get the detailed information on that person?.

when do the elders destroy such folders?can a person who no longer wishes to come back get their records and destroy them themselves?.

blueblades

scrubmaster

How long does a person have to be dfd before they can ask for re-instatement? How long before they can become MS, Pioneers and etc. I am sure there is some written rule about this, which I now is not in the bible.

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Letter to elders when marriage mate confess adultery

by scrubmaster in

jw
friends

i understand from talking to some one who had some knowledge of the situation but could not find the reference material , that the society has something in writing which says if a person believes they are scripturally free and that they are willing to stand before jehovah and face the consquences they can get married -- (this in effect leave the elders out of the equation and they can not do anything to you.

) does anyone know where this reference can be found -- i need it as soon as possible.

i can not find it.

scrubmaster

JT -i have always felt the wt worst enemy was not apostates but themselves, they put so much goofy stuff in writing

JT -- I am not an apostate and neither is anyone else who quotes facts or the truth of a matter just because it may make the organization look bad the truth is the truth the -- I have just educated myself and will continue to do so as to what is going on in the org -- call it you you may

(like you always tell me knowledge is power and those that have the knowledge have the power)

thanks for being my friend -- You are a big help and you know I have made my decision regardless of what they say.

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Letter to elders when marriage mate confess adultery

by scrubmaster in

jw
friends

i understand from talking to some one who had some knowledge of the situation but could not find the reference material , that the society has something in writing which says if a person believes they are scripturally free and that they are willing to stand before jehovah and face the consquences they can get married -- (this in effect leave the elders out of the equation and they can not do anything to you.

) does anyone know where this reference can be found -- i need it as soon as possible.

i can not find it.

scrubmaster

Thanks for the information Maverick. Believe I know what you are saying. My ex divorce me, the congregation I moved to in another state had to dig into my background to make sure I did not do anything wrong before they could use me. The irony is when she started going back to the meetings in state several years ago before she stop going all togther, where the brothers knew me, no one came to me to see about what she had been up.. they welcome her back with open arms and "NO" publisher card, because she claim she could not remember what congregation she had been to. So as far the the privilage thing, I told them I long time ago they could keep it -- I am not going to be like a child where some one dangles some reward if front of my face and expect me a grown man to do what they want to have privilages-- they can keep the privilages

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Letter to elders when marriage mate confess adultery

by scrubmaster in

jw
friends

i understand from talking to some one who had some knowledge of the situation but could not find the reference material , that the society has something in writing which says if a person believes they are scripturally free and that they are willing to stand before jehovah and face the consquences they can get married -- (this in effect leave the elders out of the equation and they can not do anything to you.

) does anyone know where this reference can be found -- i need it as soon as possible.

i can not find it.

scrubmaster

JT -- Your bad. You know my situation and I have hit them up with this information about the change in positions as well.

Thanks for all the help. I will let everyone know what happens. Buy the way I was going to move on with my life anyway. Remember in the end it is God who does the judging and not man.

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Letter to elders when marriage mate confess adultery

by scrubmaster in

jw
friends

i understand from talking to some one who had some knowledge of the situation but could not find the reference material , that the society has something in writing which says if a person believes they are scripturally free and that they are willing to stand before jehovah and face the consquences they can get married -- (this in effect leave the elders out of the equation and they can not do anything to you.

) does anyone know where this reference can be found -- i need it as soon as possible.

i can not find it.

scrubmaster

Okay everyone, I need some help. I understand from talking to some one who had some knowledge of the situation but could not find the reference material , that the society has something in writing which says if a person believes they are scripturally free and that they are willing to stand before Jehovah and face the consquences they can get married -- (this in effect leave the elders out of the equation and they can not do anything to you.) Does anyone know where this reference can be found -- I need it as soon as possible. I can not find it. Thanks for your help. I posted this earlier on the board, but it did not end up on the first page.

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Letter to elders stating scripturally free to be married-need the ref mat.

by scrubmaster in

jw
friends

i understand from talking to some one who was an elder, that the society has something in writing which says if a person believes they are scripturally free and that they are willing to stand before jehovah and face the consquences they can get married -- this in effect leave the elders out of the equation and they can not do anything to you.

does anyone know where this reference can be found -- i need it as soon as possible.

i can not find it.

scrubmaster

Thanks for the quick response -- This maybe it but I was looking for one where the mate confesses adultery to another mate and because there is not two witnesses the mate then writes a letter to the elders basically stating they are free to marry and they are willing to stand before Jehovah.