i know there are some here that deep down inside themselves,,, they know this is true,,,,, but can't seem to be brave enough,,, ,,to say it.. .
this jeho myth has got you afraid to think anything negative about jeho-bubba.
heres the idea:
Well, dirt-guppy farmer, you are talking to many who always did believe in God, still do believe in God, and always will believe in God. As for his name . . . ? Well, that is matter of debate. Jehovah, Yahweh, YHWH, whatever . . . but yeah some do believe in Him and not everyone thinks he is myth. No matter what you think of the org, I would not be too quick to mock God himself, just incase his name really is Jehovah.
Kind Regards,
Corvin
ok, this is kind of lame, but if i keep one person from wasting their money.... those of you who don't know about this, there is such a thing as a 'electric cat box' that scoops itself.
it's not that i'm lazy, but i have 3 cats, and i take pride in keeping cat smell down to zero or close to it.
most people actually comment when they come into my house, that they are amazed they can't smell a cat box.
We were getting ready to purchase one. Thanks for the tip.
ok, i had a thought the other day, and since that is a relatively rare event, i thought i would share it.. .
remember the moonies and their mass weddings?
i don't know enough about them to know just what the point was, or the rationale for something like this.
Here, here! skully!
Instead, you have scads of JW teenagers rushing into marriage with partners who don't even have each other's best interests at heart
That is really the number one cause of divorce: going into a marriage asking yourself, "what am I getting out of this?", instead of, "what can I contribute?"
I once read that the greatest definition of love is: "Having the best interests of another at heart (especially spiritually) before you own."
Good comment skully!
Corvin
the march 1, 2004 wt, p9 pp6 states:"the only reasonable conclusion, then, is that jesus was referring to a group of chiristians as "the faithful and discreet slave.
" can there be such a thing as a composite slave?
seven hundred years before christ, jehovah referred to the entire nation of israel as "my witnesses" and "my servant whom i have chosen.
OK, fine, but get a load of this: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/68474/1071833/post.ashx
wt 5/15/97 page 19"The
Generation . . . to Come"15
The anointed remnant has been eager to train other sheep for increased responsibilities. Psalm 71:18 says: "Even until old age and gray-headedness, O God, do not leave me, until I may tell about your arm to the generation, to all those who are to come, about your mightiness." Commenting on this verse, the December 15, 1948, Watchtower pointed out that the congregation of anointed Christians had certainly reached old age. It went on to say that the anointed happily "look forward in the light of Bible prophecy and see a new generation." To whom particularly is this referring? The Watchtower said: "Jesus spoke of them as his ?other sheep.?" ?The generation to come? refers to humans who will live under the new earthly administration governed by the Kingdom of the heavens.16
The Bible does not clearly say when all anointed Christians will leave their brothers of this ?generation to come? and go on to be glorified along with Jesus Christ. But these anointed ones are confident that the time for this is approaching. The events foretold in Jesus? great prophecy about "the time of the end" have been coming to pass since 1914, showing that the destruction of this world is near. (Daniel 12:4; Matthew 24:3-14; Mark 13:4-20; Luke 21:7-24) Soon, Jehovah will usher in a new world in which ?the generation to come? will ?inherit the kingdom [the earthly realm] prepared for them from the founding of the world.? (Matthew 25:34) They are thrilled to anticipate the restoration of Paradise and the raising of millions of dead ones from Hades. (Revelation 20:13) Will anointed ones be there to welcome back these resurrected ones? Back in 1925, the May 1 Watch Tower said: "We should not arbitrarily say what God will or will not do. . . . [But] we are led to the conclusion that the members of the Church [anointed Christians] will be glorified before the resurrection of the ancient worthies [faithful pre-Christian witnesses]." Similarly discussing whether some of the anointed would be on hand to welcome back the resurrected ones, the September 1, 1989, Watchtower said: "This would not be necessary."17
True, we do not know what will happen in the case of each anointed Christian. But the presence of Moses and Elijah with Jesus in the transfiguration vision indicates that resurrected anointed Christians are expected to be with Jesus when he comes in glory to "recompense each one according to his behavior" as his judgment is rendered and executed. Further, we remember Jesus? promise that anointed Christians who ?conquer? will share with him in ?shepherding the nations with an iron rod? at Armageddon. When Jesus comes in glory, they will sit with him "judging the twelve tribes of Israel." With Jesus, they will ?crush Satan under their feet.??Matthew 16:27?17:9; 19:28; Revelation 2:26, 27; 16:14, 16; Romans 16:20; Genesis 3:15; Psalm 2:9; 2 Thessalonians 1:9, 10.18
In keeping with his administration of things, Jehovah is progressively moving "to gather all things together again in the Christ." As far as "the things in the heavens" are concerned, his purpose approaches completion. The uniting of Jesus with all the 144,000 in heaven for "the marriage of the Lamb" is near. Hence, more and more longtime, mature brothers of the other sheep, representing "the things on the earth," have had delegated to them weightier responsibilities in support of their anointed brothers. What exciting times we live in! How thrilling to see Jehovah?s purpose moving on to its fulfillment! (Ephesians 1:9, 10; 3:10-12; Revelation 14:1; 19:7, 9) And how the other sheep rejoice to support their anointed brothers as both groups serve together as "one flock" under "one shepherd" in subjection to the King, Jesus Christ, and to the glory of the great Universal Sovereign, Jehovah God!?John 10:16; Philippians 2:9-11.
I think that is a status change, no?
Corvin
does anyone know if there was "new light" presented in late 1996 or 1997 that would be reason for someone to leave the wts or step down as an elder?
i have a personal reason for wanting to know.. thanks.
talesin
I remember hearing conversations in which it was believed that because this generation (1914) would by no means pass away, that some or many of the annointed JW's would be alive and on hand to help direct us in the new system of things.
Here is something interesting I found:
wt 5/15/97 page 19"The
Generation . . . to Come"15
The anointed remnant has been eager to train other sheep for increased responsibilities. Psalm 71:18 says: "Even until old age and gray-headedness, O God, do not leave me, until I may tell about your arm to the generation, to all those who are to come, about your mightiness." Commenting on this verse, the December 15, 1948, Watchtower pointed out that the congregation of anointed Christians had certainly reached old age. It went on to say that the anointed happily "look forward in the light of Bible prophecy and see a new generation." To whom particularly is this referring? The Watchtower said: "Jesus spoke of them as his ?other sheep.?" ?The generation to come? refers to humans who will live under the new earthly administration governed by the Kingdom of the heavens.16
The Bible does not clearly say when all anointed Christians will leave their brothers of this ?generation to come? and go on to be glorified along with Jesus Christ. But these anointed ones are confident that the time for this is approaching. The events foretold in Jesus? great prophecy about "the time of the end" have been coming to pass since 1914, showing that the destruction of this world is near. (Daniel 12:4; Matthew 24:3-14; Mark 13:4-20; Luke 21:7-24) Soon, Jehovah will usher in a new world in which ?the generation to come? will ?inherit the kingdom [the earthly realm] prepared for them from the founding of the world.? (Matthew 25:34) They are thrilled to anticipate the restoration of Paradise and the raising of millions of dead ones from Hades. (Revelation 20:13) Will anointed ones be there to welcome back these resurrected ones? Back in 1925, the May 1 Watch Tower said: "We should not arbitrarily say what God will or will not do. . . . [But] we are led to the conclusion that the members of the Church [anointed Christians] will be glorified before the resurrection of the ancient worthies [faithful pre-Christian witnesses]." Similarly discussing whether some of the anointed would be on hand to welcome back the resurrected ones, the September 1, 1989, Watchtower said: "This would not be necessary."17
True, we do not know what will happen in the case of each anointed Christian. But the presence of Moses and Elijah with Jesus in the transfiguration vision indicates that resurrected anointed Christians are expected to be with Jesus when he comes in glory to "recompense each one according to his behavior" as his judgment is rendered and executed. Further, we remember Jesus? promise that anointed Christians who ?conquer? will share with him in ?shepherding the nations with an iron rod? at Armageddon. When Jesus comes in glory, they will sit with him "judging the twelve tribes of Israel." With Jesus, they will ?crush Satan under their feet.??Matthew 16:27?17:9; 19:28; Revelation 2:26, 27; 16:14, 16; Romans 16:20; Genesis 3:15; Psalm 2:9; 2 Thessalonians 1:9, 10.18
In keeping with his administration of things, Jehovah is progressively moving "to gather all things together again in the Christ." As far as "the things in the heavens" are concerned, his purpose approaches completion. The uniting of Jesus with all the 144,000 in heaven for "the marriage of the Lamb" is near. Hence, more and more longtime, mature brothers of the other sheep, representing "the things on the earth," have had delegated to them weightier responsibilities in support of their anointed brothers. What exciting times we live in! How thrilling to see Jehovah?s purpose moving on to its fulfillment! (Ephesians 1:9, 10; 3:10-12; Revelation 14:1; 19:7, 9) And how the other sheep rejoice to support their anointed brothers as both groups serve together as "one flock" under "one shepherd" in subjection to the King, Jesus Christ, and to the glory of the great Universal Sovereign, Jehovah God!?John 10:16; Philippians 2:9-11.
It looks as though, and I could have missed a few issues (lol) that since all the oldtimers are no longer here on earth, they have put some of the responsibility on the other sheep . . . lol, who else could they put it on?
Anyone, anyone????
the march 1, 2004 wt, p9 pp6 states:"the only reasonable conclusion, then, is that jesus was referring to a group of chiristians as "the faithful and discreet slave.
" can there be such a thing as a composite slave?
seven hundred years before christ, jehovah referred to the entire nation of israel as "my witnesses" and "my servant whom i have chosen.
"The only reasonable conclusion, then, is that Jesus was referring to a group of Chiristians as "the faithful and discreet slave." Can there be such a thing as a composite slave? Yes. Seven hundred years before Christ, Jehovah referred to the entire nation of Israel as "my witnesses" and "my servant whom I have chosen." (Isaiah 43:10) Every member of the nation of Israel from 1513 B.C.E., when the Mosaic Law was given, down to Pentecost 33 C.E. was part of the this servant class. Most Israelites did not have a direct share in administering the nation's affairs or in coorinationg its spiritual feeding program. Jehovah used the kings, judges, prophets, priests, and Levites to carry out those tasks. Still, as a nation, Israel was to represent Jehovah's sovereignty and tell his praises among the nations. Each Israelite was to be a witness of Jehovah.-Dueteronomy 26:19; Isaiah 43:21; Malachi 2:7; Romans 3:1,2
"My Witnesses" and "my servant whom I have chosen" is here tied into the "faithful and discreet slave class", and "every member" was part of that servant class. While the GB "coordinates the spiritual feeding program", "each Israelite was to be a witness of Jehovah" . . . what is there to miss?
the march 1, 2004 wt, p9 pp6 states:"the only reasonable conclusion, then, is that jesus was referring to a group of chiristians as "the faithful and discreet slave.
" can there be such a thing as a composite slave?
seven hundred years before christ, jehovah referred to the entire nation of israel as "my witnesses" and "my servant whom i have chosen.
The March 1, 2004 WT, p9 pp6 states:
"The only reasonable conclusion, then, is that Jesus was referring to a group of Chiristians as "the faithful and discreet slave." Can there be such a thing as a composite slave? Yes. Seven hundred years before Christ, Jehovah referred to the entire nation of Israel as "my witnesses" and "my servant whom I have chosen." (Isaiah 43:10) Every member of the nation of Israel from 1513 B.C.E., when the Mosaic Law was given, down to Pentecost 33 C.E. was part of the this servant class. Most Israelites did not have a direct share in administering the nation's affairs or in coorinationg its spiritual feeding program. Jehovah used the kings, judges, prophets, priests, and Levites to carry out those tasks. Still, as a nation, Israel was to represent Jehovah's sovereignty and tell his praises among the nations. Each Israelite was to be a witness of Jehovah.-Dueteronomy 26:19; Isaiah 43:21; Malachi 2:7; Romans 3:1,2.
OK, the paragraph infers that each member, annointed or not, is part of the "faithful and discreet slave class" and although it is the GB who is in control, the other sheep, the great crowd is also part of the faithful and discreet slave????
DOUBLE SPEAK!
anyone in the san diego area planning on attending the 2004 district convention at qualcom stadium?
does anyone go and picket and pass out flyers or pamphlets anymore?
(i remember the stir and excitement of hearing how the attendants had just caught some apostates handing out fake watchtowers inside the convention, and threw them out!
Anyone in the San Diego area planning on attending the 2004 District Convention at Qualcom Stadium?
Does anyone go and picket and pass out flyers or pamphlets anymore? (I remember the stir and excitement of hearing how the attendants had just caught some apostates handing out fake Watchtowers inside the convention, and threw them out!)
Will there be a group of apostates to work that convention? If not, let's get something going. I am ready to boldly face the many JW's I have known for many years and let my "new light" shine.
I am available to help design and print pamphlets and hand-outs.
Corvin
so when my dear old mum, who is well into her 80's, is no longer able to care for herself, what then?.
well, i guess we could build a granny-annexe and take care of her.
trouble is, i'm disfellowshipped, so i wonder how the local elders would react to that one.. same with my kid brother, he's an outcast too.. hmm.
Do you love your mother? Screw the elders, be a good son and take care of your mom. I honestly think today's elders will gladly overlook you being df'd so that the burden will not fall on them. If the elders try to interfere, get in their faces and kick them in the nuts!
i was just reading the thread "questions on the generation teaching", and someone mentioned the 1995 watchtower article where is said this:rather than provide a rule for measuring time, the term "generation" as used by jesus refers principally to contemporary people of a certain historical period, with their identifying characteristics.. .
what i'm wondering is, has the wts mentioned the word "generation" since this article?
are they sticking to this explanation in any way, shape, or form?
These is the cop-outs the WTBTS has written since 1995:
wt 1/1/00 p9 A Progressive Cleaning18
As the years pass, Jehovah continues to give us further clarification of truth, including a clearer understanding of his prophetic word. (Proverbs 4:18) In recent years, we have been encouraged to look again with deeper understanding at?among other things?the generation that will not pass away before the end comes, the parable of the sheep and the goats, the disgusting thing and when it will stand in a holy place, the new covenant, the transfiguration, and the temple vision of the book of Ezekiel. It may be difficult at times to understand such updated explanations, but the reasons for them become clear in due course. If a Christian does not fully understand a new explanation of a scripture, he does well humbly to echo the words of the prophet Micah: "I will show a waiting attitude for the God of my salvation."?Micah 7:7.
New Light, blah blah blah . . . if you don't understand the "updated explanations" just "wait", we will try to make some sense out of it ourselves and when we do we will get back to you . . .
wt 1/15/00 p11 Ignoring God's Prophets8
As the years passed, some Christians in Jerusalem may have wondered just when Jesus? prophecy was going to be fulfilled. After all, consider the sacrifices some of them had undoubtedly made. Perhaps they had turned down attractive business offers because of their determination to keep on the watch. As time wore on, did they grow weary? Did they conclude that they were wasting their time, reasoning that Jesus? words applied to a future generation, not to their own? In 66 C.E., Jesus? prophecy began to be fulfilled when the Roman armies surrounded Jerusalem. Those who kept on the watch recognized the sign, fled the city, and were spared experiencing the desolating of Jerusalem.
Ok, ok, so now the generation to see Jesus' words fulfilled might not even be the generation of 1914? I, and hundreds of thousands of others wasted our youth for what again???
wt 5/1/99Another
Fulfillment to Come15
However, that was not the finale. Earlier, Jesus had indicated that after the city was devastated, he would come in Jehovah?s name. (Matthew 23:38, 39; 24:2) He then made this clearer in his prophecy uttered on the Mount of Olives. Having mentioned the coming "great tribulation," he said that afterward false Christs would appear, and Jerusalem would be trampled on by the nations for an extended period. (Matthew 24:21, 23-28; Luke 21:24) Could it be that another, a greater, fulfillment was to come? The facts answer yes. When we compare Revelation 6:2-8 (written after the tribulation on Jerusalem in 70 C.E.) with Matthew 24:6-8 and Luke 21:10, 11, we see that warfare, food shortages, and plague on a greater scale lay ahead. This greater fulfillment of Jesus? words has been occurring since World War I erupted in 1914.16
For decades now, Jehovah?s Witnesses have taught that the current fulfillment of the sign proves that a "great tribulation" is yet to come. The present wicked "generation" will see that tribulation. It seems that there will again be an opening phase (an attack on all false religion), just as Gallus? attack in 66 C.E. opened the tribulation on Jerusalem. Then, after an interval of unspecified length, the end will come?destruction on a worldwide scale, paralleling that in 70 C.E.17
Referring to the tribulation just ahead of us, Jesus said: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days [the destruction of false religion] the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."?Matthew 24:29, 30.18
Hence, Jesus himself says that "after the tribulation of those days," celestial phenomena of some sort will occur. (Compare Joel 2:28-32; 3:15.) This will so startle and shock disobedient humans that they will "beat themselves in lamentation." Many will "become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth." But this will not be the case with true Christians! These ?will lift their heads up, because their deliverance is getting near.??Luke 21:25, 26, 28.
wt 6/1/99 p6Vague and wavering are the recent predictions and phophecies of the WTBTS.Especially since World War I, mankind has experienced appalling changes. It has seen the earth drenched with the blood of millions. Warfare, genocide, terrorism, crime, and lawlessness have erupted worldwide. Famine, disease, and immorality have stalked our globe. All the evidence indicates that we now live among that wicked generation of which Jesus said: "This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur." (Matthew 24:34) The world is now filling its "measure of sin." "The clusters of the vine of the earth" are becoming ripe for the harvest.
