Posts by amac

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What is the WTS's motive?

by careful fader in

can anyone help me understand the motive of the wts?

i don't think it's money .

the gb lives at bethel in a pretty low standard of living.

What is the WTS's motive?

by careful fader in

can anyone help me understand the motive of the wts?

i don't think it's money .

the gb lives at bethel in a pretty low standard of living.

amac

You are kissing your own chains of mental slavery. I hope you heal someday.

LOL! The Omniscient One is able to read minds and hearts through DB's! Don't pretend to know anything about me or what I believe in. You have successfully avoided my challenge to show how the WT's money is being given to the higher up members and instead chosen to reply as a condescender who has the much sought after knowledge that the rest of us desire.

I am certainly NOT bound by any WT beliefs and under no mental slavery (anymore than the rest of mankind that is.) Again, nice try.

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What is the WTS's motive?

by careful fader in

can anyone help me understand the motive of the wts?

i don't think it's money .

the gb lives at bethel in a pretty low standard of living.

amac

The WT is pocketing money any posible way, including sales of engines for armament (thoroughly documented).

That's quite a vague statement. Yes, the WT pockets lots of money. That doesn't mean that money goes to any particular individuals, it means the money belongs to the corporation and can be used for their operations, expansions, etc.

You have yet to show how any GB or Bethelite is personally profitting off the money that the WT makes, and thus, money is their personal motive. THAT is the topic of this thread, not whether or not the Corporation is good at raking in the dough. Try to focus.

If they do not give this money to charity, are they burning it then? I doubt. Just look at their assets.

You just answered your own question. They don't give the money to charity or burn it. They buy assets with it, reinvest it, use it for operational expenses, etc. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?

No one wins or looses this argument. Either you open your eyes and set yourself free or you don't.

Wow! I didn't realize I was in the presence of the Omniscient. You should have said so earlier and I would have fallen right in line!

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What is the WTS's motive?

by careful fader in

can anyone help me understand the motive of the wts?

i don't think it's money .

the gb lives at bethel in a pretty low standard of living.

amac

Back to the original spirit of this thread...I was thinking last night how I imagine there are probably a number of high ranking JWs who are similar to Mustapha Mond in A Brave New World. Does anyone remember that book from high school?

I'm sure there are some who think they are just a little bit smarter than the average JW and, although they see errors in their teaching, think that they are doing the JWs a favor by providing this vehicle of worship for them.

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What is the WTS's motive?

by careful fader in

can anyone help me understand the motive of the wts?

i don't think it's money .

the gb lives at bethel in a pretty low standard of living.

amac

So investments in warfare technology fit perfectly with your christian values and BB's poverty vows?

No, they don't. But, AGAIN, what does that have to do with whether or not the GB are motivated by personal wealth if they are not profitting off the WT's investments personally? Whenever you lose an argument, do you always switch topics like this?

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WT to start selling Brooklyn assets

by Dogpatch in

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looks like in conjunction with my post yesterday about the farm putting up some new printing presses, the brooklyn branch is starting to sell off some of its property!

a mass exodus may have begun upstate.

the wt media says this:.

amac

I don't know if it means an exodus so much as a practical move concerning the fact that they are moving printing to the Farm. No need for the massive shipping department at Fuhrman if they are doing all the printing upstate.

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What is the WTS's motive?

by careful fader in

can anyone help me understand the motive of the wts?

i don't think it's money .

the gb lives at bethel in a pretty low standard of living.

amac

Let me guess: You were disfellowshiped. You are scared of Armageddon and death. Your only back up plan is to defend "God's organization" for possible salvation even when the proofs against the WT are overwhelming. A pact of silence and of loneliness?

Completely wrong. Sorry, nice try though. I am not DFed or DAed and I am not afraid of Armageddon. I no longer hold the beliefs of the JWS. I don't defend the WT for the sake of defending them, I only do it when people like you make empty accusations such as the GB motive is all the money they get.

Have anything to say about the WT holding gon to Rand Cam, Regi U.S. shares? Simply denying the authenticity of these legal documents above (did you read them?) does not mean you shot anything down.

What does Rand Cam or REGI have to do with whether or not the GB live better than other Bethelites and whether or not that is their motive? You seem to have a hard time seperating the mass amounts of money the organization cycles through and whether or not the GB are getting a cut of it.

And, Yes, I did read those documents. How else do you think I was able to reply to them? Did you bother reading and thinking about my replies? If so, please tell me how those buildings are a motive for the GB to keep doing what they are doing.

Tonight you are going home knowing someone was given a $226,000 house while you were slave-laboring for him. A fascinating topic for research, by the way.

You are wrong. The WT owns that house and land. They just let other people stay in it while they volunteer there. And I knew that they had houses like that about 15 years ago, so your fascinating research has not revealed anything that the average JW didn't already know.

You, on the other hand, are going home tonight knowing that you spent a big chunk of your day researching and posting information that was already common knowledge and that proves nothing besides the fact that the WT is a very large non-profit organization with a lot of assets. And to top it off...it's not even your religion. Why do you bother? You have neither exposed anything or enlightened anyone...sleep tight.

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To whom belongs all the Watchtower's wealth?

by JH in

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i know this won't happen, but who would get all the money and the buildings and the lots, if the watchtower society would close down?

how many people would benefit from this?.

are there any figures on how much wealth the watchtower has accumulated over the years?

amac

Truthseeker -

Lady Lee pretty much has it right. The only thing I would add is that, yes, thelocal brothers do own the hall and property. However, once it is built, the deed is donated back to the society in every case that I have ever heard of. That is part of the whole "dedication" of the hall.

Have things like this been reported to the media???!!! I'm outraged! Is this legal? Someone help me understand how they've been getting away with this scam for so many years! arrrrrrrrgh! (I feel sick)

Yes it is legal, because it is all done voluntarily by the bros and sis. They give them money voluntarily, then ask permission to build a hall, then ask permission to borrow money to build the hall, then give the hall to the WT. It is definitely a money making machine.

Although they charge interest, it is quite nominal and is meant only to cover the rate of inflation so the society doesn't lose the value of the money lent (even though they get a free building out of it.) The whole set up is absurd, but easily swallowable by the average JW because they see it as merely contributing to further God's purpose.

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What is the WTS's motive?

by careful fader in

can anyone help me understand the motive of the wts?

i don't think it's money .

the gb lives at bethel in a pretty low standard of living.

amac

Gerard -

I can't believe you have enough time to waste digging up all this dirt on a religion that you are not and never were a part of. You must be bored. Well if you can spend all this time digging this up, I can at least spend a couple minutes shooting it down.

Property code is 555 (New York's real estate code for Outdoor Sport Activities) it is a Riding stable (taxt exempt) with a sale price of $2.4 million. Tell us, Were you invited to ride their horses when you were a bethelite?

This property is at 61 Adams St. I can't remember exactly what building is there, but being in the heart of Brooklyn Heights, I can guarantee you it is not a "Riding Stable" despite how it is listed in the NY Real Estate Database. Unless of course they are hiding all the horses and riding areas underground beneath a Brownstone or Office Building.

Oh! That explains their ownership of this $9 million dollar motel in NY: (Though they must spend a lot more on hookers so they had to buy a motel).

This building is up at the Farms in Walkill. There is no Sale price listed, and "Site Total Value" does not equal what the sale price was. Despite what it cost, do you know how many volunteers they have to house? I hardly imagine this as some high class resort for the "rich and wealthy" GB.

And then turn around and buy a $17.8 million dollar "lodge" (Code 148) :

Again, 17.8 million is the TOTAL SITE VALUE, NOT the SALE PRICE. They did NOT BUY this "lodge" for 17.8 Mill, they BUILT it. I know this because I was at Bethel when they were building it. It is a residence building for the Brooklyn Bethel Volunteers at 90 Sands Street. Sorry, no vacation lodge for the rich GB here...just another dead end in your wild goose chase.

The Watchtower bought this residence in 09/30/1998 for the amount of $226,708. Tax free.

So, amac, how many "humble" $226,708 residences do you own?

Not a bad price for a single residence on 2.7 acres. I paid a lot more for mine and I only get less than 0.5 acres. By the way, I only own one, and where I live, it is a humble residence. FYI, as you more than likely do not know this, there are a number of families that are volunteers at Bethel, so the WT owns a number of single residence buildings to house them. Nothing too strange or extravagent about that.

In conclusion, it cannot be denied that the WT brings in a ton of money and buys and sells a lot things to continue to make more money. However, there is nothing to back up your claims that the GB use this money for their personal wealth and betterment. Just because you find some dollar amounts in a half assed research attempt on the internet does not prove anything. As stated with all these properties, there are logical and practical uses for them. The WT has a record of being very shrewd in their real estate purchases....big deal.

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What is the WTS's motive?

by careful fader in

can anyone help me understand the motive of the wts?

i don't think it's money .

the gb lives at bethel in a pretty low standard of living.

amac

Of course, after some "operational expenses", the Watchtower's GB pass on all those millions to charity.

Yeah, I think their "operational expenses" are only like $1,000 a year. The rest they blow on fishing trips, hookers, gambling, private jets, etc...Those GB are definitely big pimpin'. And none of the other Bethelites who only get $90 a month even trip on it!