That sounds funny! I would definitely be discreet until you get to your seat though, as you probably won't make it that far if you walk in with the wig on or some outlandish attire. Same with the sign, you should probably use some type of fold up that can fit in a book bag.
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by D8TA inhello watchtower monitors and people of the board....here's the game.. somewhere, in the united states, there is going to be an apostate showing up at one of your district assemblies, he will be sporting a rainbow wig and a john 3:16 sign.
inside the convention.. now now, before apologists and dissents come my way.....i got a protest permit to be on said premis, and also, once i wear the wig and show the sign....as soon as they tell me to leave, i will comply...therefore i cant go to jail(saaay all you want, i already have an "ace up the sleeve" on this, so guess what?
you're wrong if you even think otherwise hehheheheheh).
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England vs Argentina
by ballistic in.. is in 1 hour.. now lets see, i'm going to be watching it at work and getting paid for it, but the problem is there's no beer.. what would you say?
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I thought England looked GREAT! There was some slopiness at the end, but then again Argentina did bring on quite a few fresh players. Nicky sure did make his presence known! And Mills ran the pitch like a champ!
I'm surprised Arg pulled Veron. He had some incredible passes that his teammates didn't act on, which made them look like bad passes.
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A Plea For Responsible Reporting
by hillary_step inmany hundreds of people read this site who are not subscribed, and i would suspect that the vast majority are jw's looking for answers to an internal turmoil that they may be living with.. the information posted on this board does get read and then passed among many congregations of jw's.
this information is a powerful force and is a wonderful thing for those who are seeking to be informed, and a not so wonderful thing to those in brooklyn who are seeking to harness the boundaries of knowledge.. given this scenario, and how much credibility can be lost by xjw's who perpetuate gossip and innuendo, can we check our sources and facts very carefully before we post information to this board.
there is no particular nobility in being first with news about some aspect of wts life.
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I agree with you.However, I think a board like this will always have those who are so bitter and emphatic about the evil of the WT that it is impossible to avoid.
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Circuit Overseers and Corruption
by MARTINLEYSHON inas an ex presiding overseer and public affairs spokesperson who is now disfellowshipped!!!
i am new to this site and have read with keen interest the many and varied topics that have been posted.
during my 9 years of presiding i encountered certain corrupt c/os for example the friends would treat them like little demy gods, hanging onto their every word, they would, on their visit influence the brothers to part with cash for privledges.
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Welcome Martin, Hope to hear more about your story.
I'm also glad to hear many defending C.O.s with a balanced view. There's not much I can add to this thread that hasn't been said by others, besides that I too know just as many good COs as I do lousy COs. In fact, a good friend of mine is a CO out in Texas in the sticks somewhere living in a tiny trailer. He has certainly made a lot of sacrifices and is serving in a very poor area.
A couple people have stated that we "can't say all CO/DO's are bad, but MOST of them are." That is ridiculous! What can you base that on? Your own personal experience? If so, then that is all it is, your own personal experience. I doubt anyone is going to conduct any kind of research to determine that "MOST" CO/DO's are bad, so please note your generalizations.
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NEW JW POLICY POSTED!!!
by amac ini don't know if anyone has posted on this already but there is a new press release at http://www.jw-media.org/releases/default.htm?content=bg_molestation.htm that defines the current jw policy and i believe it has taken a step in the right direction!.
although they have not literally changed it to require reporting to the authorities in all states, they have finally put into print the following: "additionally, the victim may wish to report the matter to the authorities, and it is his or her absolute right to do so.".
i am glad to see, straight from the wt, acknowledgement that the adults involved have every right to go to the police.
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I have no interest in debating over speculation on how this statement will play out. My final statement on this matter (besides some personal replies below) is that before all of these issues were brought to the attention of the media, policies on reporting of child molesters were very ambiguous. Now, thanks to this attention, it has been clearly stated by JR Brown that no sanctions are to be in place against those who report, and in the press release that victims have the right to report these incidents to the police. I am glad that, at least, this has happened so far.
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You shouldn't call other people inane, when they have more experience with the "general statements" of the WTS than you.
I was referring to myself in saying my mind is not so inane, in other words, I am not so stupid to think...etc. And I did not realize that I had stated my experience for you to make the comparison in the latter half of your statement. No offense taken, I realize it was an assumption.Syn-
Well, big guy, there's a few things you've gotta learn about Justice, Tower Style.
Well, big guy, your understanding was wrong on what that statement meant. I can't be bothered to explain it as it wasn't crucial to my argument.You haven't read Orwell's 1984 yet
I've never thought of reading 1984 as an accomplishment, I thought we all had to read it in the 5th grade. In case you missed the sarcasm, yes I have read it.Seaken-
Amac, I don't think you were ever a JW. Am I wrong?
Actually, I was raised as a witness and even had a stint at Bethel.DungBeetle-
You are obviously still in high school. Am I right in guessing that you are the leader of the high school drama program? If not you should consider it as you seem to have a knack for being melodramatic. (History note for observers: Dung likes to respond to most of my posts with some slanderous, empty-headed, sensationalized, of no value post. In this case, I have obviously taken great offense at being compared to a pedophile.) -
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NEW JW POLICY POSTED!!!
by amac ini don't know if anyone has posted on this already but there is a new press release at http://www.jw-media.org/releases/default.htm?content=bg_molestation.htm that defines the current jw policy and i believe it has taken a step in the right direction!.
although they have not literally changed it to require reporting to the authorities in all states, they have finally put into print the following: "additionally, the victim may wish to report the matter to the authorities, and it is his or her absolute right to do so.".
i am glad to see, straight from the wt, acknowledgement that the adults involved have every right to go to the police.
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JT -
For the love of God, I'll assume that you have the ability to think outside of the "apostate" mindset, if you do the same and assume I can think outside of the "JW" mindset.I do not personally equate anything the WT says with what God says...in fact, I don't even take what the Bible says as what God says. So spare me the judgements.
I was trying to make a point of how this new policy can be used by the average witness. They usually equate WT speak with indirect guidance from Jah. So if the policy says "reporting is A-OK" and an elder goes against that, an average JW has something to back them up that the elder is sinning in trying to punish them.
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I agree with your post, but to me that is an entirely different subject, that of a criticism of the WT policies of control. In a strict interest of protecting children (which is what some on this board claim is their only agenda, despite Path's truthful observation)I stand behind my statement that this policy clarification is a step in the right direction. In line with what you have pointed out. It is much harder to perpetuate an unwritten/oral law when there is a written law against it. My mind is not so inane as to think this general written statement is circumspect. BUT AS A GENERAL RULE, THIS WILL HELP. -
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NEW JW POLICY POSTED!!!
by amac ini don't know if anyone has posted on this already but there is a new press release at http://www.jw-media.org/releases/default.htm?content=bg_molestation.htm that defines the current jw policy and i believe it has taken a step in the right direction!.
although they have not literally changed it to require reporting to the authorities in all states, they have finally put into print the following: "additionally, the victim may wish to report the matter to the authorities, and it is his or her absolute right to do so.".
i am glad to see, straight from the wt, acknowledgement that the adults involved have every right to go to the police.
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Xander -
You seem to be very subjective to your anti-WT thinking, to the point where you remind me of talking to a hardcore JW.[quote]No, it is EXACTLY the same.
Yes, the elders actively discourage you from taking blood. Yes, you will be kicked out if you do. [/quotes]
So you are saying that, since they are exactly the same, since it is a common action of elders to discourage the use of blood, it is also a common action for them to discourage the reporting of allegations and to DF those who do. Maybe we should take a poll of all the ex-elders on this list and ask them if that would have been a common understanding among them when they were gung ho elders? I don't think that would be the case.
I am tired of defending something as obvious as this. No matter what your argument is, this will help clarify to elders that there are no sanctions against those reporting allegations and JWs can use this press release if their elders try anything. I've already stated it is not a final solution, but it is good for the children.
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NEW JW POLICY POSTED!!!
by amac ini don't know if anyone has posted on this already but there is a new press release at http://www.jw-media.org/releases/default.htm?content=bg_molestation.htm that defines the current jw policy and i believe it has taken a step in the right direction!.
although they have not literally changed it to require reporting to the authorities in all states, they have finally put into print the following: "additionally, the victim may wish to report the matter to the authorities, and it is his or her absolute right to do so.".
i am glad to see, straight from the wt, acknowledgement that the adults involved have every right to go to the police.
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Path -
The reality is this group has no real intentions of reforming this policy, or at least that is not where their heart is. Their hearts, and mine is with the destruction of the WT, so we will always find fault and nothing will ever be adequate until this harmful cult is finished.
I was hoping that wasn't the case, but I believe you are right. I am hoping that Bill Bowen will respond to this thread since his sole agenda is to protect the victims of child molestation, and he too may find some hope in this clarification.
I always enjoy your posts Path as you are very objective. I find it odd that you too are bent on the demise of the WT. I believe a religious org like the WT is essential for many people, and if it goes away something else will replace it. It would seem to me to be a better route, if one is so concerned with the members of an org, to focus on growing it's good qualities and squashing it's bad.
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NEW JW POLICY POSTED!!!
by amac ini don't know if anyone has posted on this already but there is a new press release at http://www.jw-media.org/releases/default.htm?content=bg_molestation.htm that defines the current jw policy and i believe it has taken a step in the right direction!.
although they have not literally changed it to require reporting to the authorities in all states, they have finally put into print the following: "additionally, the victim may wish to report the matter to the authorities, and it is his or her absolute right to do so.".
i am glad to see, straight from the wt, acknowledgement that the adults involved have every right to go to the police.
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Xander
How high are the odds, you think, that a molested little kid would report the incident to the police? They will report it to the elders who - even under the society's "new and improved" policy, still don't have to report it to the police.
Bollocks! How many 6 year olds are going to approach an elder about their problems? Very few, unless he happens to be a relative or close friend. Otherwise do you think a 6 year old will just trot over to the elders after the meeting and say "we need to talk."?
In the scenario you depicted, with a 6 year old victim, there is usually an adult involved that has become aware of the problem. I think a blanket statement like "victim may wish to report the matter to the authorities" infers that this can be done directly or indirectly by an adult working in the child's interest. The WT is not going to lay out every possible scenario in a news release to say that each is OK or not OK.
lisaBObeesa,
Yes I did see it, I even have it on tape. Again, for present and future allegations, this is a step in the right direction. With the recent clarifications in interviews and press releases, it will be very hard for any elders to get away with the trash that was covered on Dateline. This clarification will help put a STOP TO THESE KIND OF THINGS, ALLOWING FOR MORE JW's TO REPORT THESE ALLEGATIONS FREELY. Is that NOT a good thing?Edited to reply to lisa's edit:
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NEW JW POLICY POSTED!!!
by amac ini don't know if anyone has posted on this already but there is a new press release at http://www.jw-media.org/releases/default.htm?content=bg_molestation.htm that defines the current jw policy and i believe it has taken a step in the right direction!.
although they have not literally changed it to require reporting to the authorities in all states, they have finally put into print the following: "additionally, the victim may wish to report the matter to the authorities, and it is his or her absolute right to do so.".
i am glad to see, straight from the wt, acknowledgement that the adults involved have every right to go to the police.
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I can't believe that I am having to argue that the fact that WT have documented that it is OK for JWs to report allegations to the authorities IS A GOOD THING!!!!
Please be careful not to become a "professional apostate" to the point where you go from seeing the good and bad to just the bad. This IS a step in the right direction. A lot of JWs are going to learn through this press release that it is OK TO REPORT MOLESTATION ALLEGATIONS TO THE AUTHORITIES, EVEN IF THE ELDERS DON'T. THAT IS GOOD! THAT WILL PROTECT CHILDREN! It is NOT a final solution but it IS a step.