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Posts by amac
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32ENGLAND ... make us proud !
by Simon in.
the '66 world cup was before my time and black and white replays are great'n'all that but i'd really like a great sporting moment in my lifetime.. this is the best chance to win the cup that we have had in a long time.
a lot of top teams have gone and if we can get past brazil i think we stand a pretty good chance of lifting the cup.. we have the confidence - we beat argentina and thrashed norway - now it's time to finish the job.. c'mon england !
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Treating the pioneers "Just So."
by LDH ini was reading jjrizo's thread about elders who take advantage of the kh, and i had a memory i'd like to share.
all my life growing up i had heard about how "jehovah takes care of those who put kingdom interests first.
" and all of those experiences on the platform about getting an envelope "with the exact rent amount due the day before we were to be evicted" and so on.
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LDH -
Well GEE WHIZ when you start out regular pioneer at age 16 because of all the "wonderful blessings" you've heard about at every assembly for YEARS and because you have been indoctrinated from youth that PIONEERING is a wonderful way to spend your youth....
So I guess it all comes down to how you and I viewed pioneering from our own perspective, rather than the way we were treated by the congregation. We were both treated similar (except I wasn't given any pantyhose), yet you felt a negative experience and I felt a positive experience (at the time.) I know you feel your expectations were built up by experiences at assemblies, in the WT, from the friends, etc, but I heard the same experiences (not exactly but I'm sure very similar) and my expectations for pioneering were completely different. So I guess it comes down to personal interpretation and understanding rather than whether or not we were treated "just so." That's my take.
Larc -
amac, My conclusion...That was my experience...the experience of many who have posted here...If several more posters share positve experiences, then I will no longer consider your situation to be an exception to the rule. Until then, I will.
I am surprised that you would take your personal experience and the experience of those around you and consider that a general rule. I once knew a man who admitted to being a racist. When I asked him why, he said because every single experience he had with anyone from that race was a negative experience, and the same went for his family and friends. I felt very sorry for him that he was not able to see beyond that. I am IN NO WAY IMPLYING you are equal to a racist, but it seems like a similar way of thinking that creates a similar bias.
I am under no illusion that all pioneers are blessed, happy and treated well. I am also under no illusion that they are all mistreated by their congregations. I think, in many cases, an individual experience in pioneering is completely dependent on the expectations of the person and their motives, rather than how the congregation treats them.
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Treating the pioneers "Just So."
by LDH ini was reading jjrizo's thread about elders who take advantage of the kh, and i had a memory i'd like to share.
all my life growing up i had heard about how "jehovah takes care of those who put kingdom interests first.
" and all of those experiences on the platform about getting an envelope "with the exact rent amount due the day before we were to be evicted" and so on.
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amac
This DB is HILARIOUS! Poor IW simply posts an experience that is contrary to the majority and she is attacked at all sides.
Larc, I completely disagree with you and fail to understand your fascination with IW expressing a positive opinion. Do you think it better to only focus on the negative experiences so we can stir up some mob thinking? You stated the following:
We are simply trying to understand why you keep talking about your exception to the rule. WHY?
Why? Because it is not a "rule", and I think that was the intent of IW's post, though I can't answer for her. Just because a few people on this board have had negative experiences does not make it a rule and it does not make IW's experience an "exception" to the "rule." I don't understand labeling someone as an aggressor simply because they state a difference of opinion or experience.
And to top this off, I haven't read too many "negative" experiences on here anyway. Most of them are experiences of people who were expecting blessings for pioneering and did not receive any. I was never under the delusion that I was to be blessed as a pioneer. At the time, I simply thought that my situation allowed it and I was simply doing what I was supposed to be doing. Anyone who expected blessings was obviously pioneering for the wrong reasons per the WT and the Bible. It seems to me that if one was expecting blessings then they were attempting to work for God's favor. And I never got the implication from the society that I should expect blessings. Bigboi and Prisca pointed this out in their posts. Again, all the experiences I ever heard or read had to do with dire situations where the blessing came as a form of keeping the person fed or with a roof over their head or allowed them to keep pioneering. The blessings never came as a reward! If anyone disagrees with this, I would like to hear why.
IW, I enjoyed your post. I, too, had good experiences.
Edited by - amac on 20 June 2002 12:3:16
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Treating the pioneers "Just So."
by LDH ini was reading jjrizo's thread about elders who take advantage of the kh, and i had a memory i'd like to share.
all my life growing up i had heard about how "jehovah takes care of those who put kingdom interests first.
" and all of those experiences on the platform about getting an envelope "with the exact rent amount due the day before we were to be evicted" and so on.
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amac
I agree that not all JW's are greedy or bad, but you have to admit that your experience with the CO was unique
I'm not sure how you figure this as unique? Maybe that was just your personal experience. My personal experience was that the majority of CO couples I knew were nice, sincere people who had sacrificied a lot to be in the circuit work. There were only a small handful that seemed to have misplaced motives. And the majority had experiences of miserable living conditions that I have never experienced. So I never had the impression that they had "the good life." Especially since their only day off was Monday. -
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JW pulls knife, slahes schoolmate
by Dogpatch inhttp://www.whdh.com/news/articles/h812/
7news extra
eleven-year-old victim of knife fight appears in court
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amac
Who knows...this kid either has some mental/emotional problems to where he felt threatened to the point of bringing a knife to school, or he was actually physically threatened by this other kid to the point where he felt the only way to defend himself was with a knife (maybe he got beat up badly everyday), or he's just an evil kid who wanted to hurt someone. It's natural for a parent to be biased to their children, and perhaps this child has his parents believing he was physically threatened.
I think this story could have been about a member of any religion. I see no connection to being a JW.
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Treating the pioneers "Just So."
by LDH ini was reading jjrizo's thread about elders who take advantage of the kh, and i had a memory i'd like to share.
all my life growing up i had heard about how "jehovah takes care of those who put kingdom interests first.
" and all of those experiences on the platform about getting an envelope "with the exact rent amount due the day before we were to be evicted" and so on.
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amac
I don't recall my wife and I receiving any monetary help when we pioneered for 6 years. Yet, like others, I did not expect it. I did not need it. UNLIKE others, I recall all the experiences of pioneers being blessed had to do with very dire situations where the situation was going to either put them out of home or food, or stop them from pioneering. So since I never faced that situation, I didn't expect anything. I don't ever recall any experiences of bro pioneer getting an upgrade from an economy car to a luxury car as a blessing, or getting free lunches, or whatever. So I'm not sure what the point of the thread is. Do others disagree with this?
Also, for those digging into the CO's/DO's about making out like bandits, remember that is only in certain areas. Many areas are very poor and rural and the CO's don't get the same treatment. Nevertheless, even if they did, I would hardly say it's a prosperous career, and I highly doubt many become CO's for the luxury of green handshakes.
amac
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which swingin' chick are you? (girls only:)
by Incense_and_Peppermints in.
http://www.swinginchicks.com/workinitfordaddy.htm
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amac
FYI, I bought the calendar a while ago and was thoroughly disappointed because it didn't have a single picture of Twiggy in it!
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Name some must have rock records
by Leander ini've spent a lot of time on allmusic.com and it amazes me how much nirvana is mentioned when the reviewers rate other albums.
so its a no brainer that nirvana's work should probably have a place in every rock collection, but what are some other albums every rock fan should listen to if not own.
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I'm a bit of a Love fan myself. Arthur Lee is currently touring with Love and I hear the show is incredible.
amac
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JW's and drinking
by DanTheMan inis it just me, or is alchohol consumption at parties and vacations virtually an unwrittten rule of jw-culture?.
when i was in, i did not drink, and i still don't.
i often felt almost ostracized for this by my jw associates.
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amac
Is the point of this thread to insinuate that JWs drink more than non-JWs? If so, that is ridiculous. I have DJed hundreds of both JW and non-JW weddings and parties. From my hundreds of experiences, JWs do NOT drink more than non-JWs, in fact far less. Non-JW weddings and parties ALWAYS had alcohol and were littered with drunk people. JW's, on the other hand, many times had zero alcohol and when they did, the majority drank in moderation.
I don't deny that JW's drink, my own father is an alcoholic (now clean and sober.) But I don't think they drink more than other people. In fact, I would guess they drink less.
amac
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APOSTATES unreliable witnesses ... huh ?
by alliwannadoislive inan interesting site i stumbled on which concludes that apostates are unreliable witnesses .... http://www.neuereligion.de/eng/kliever/.
conclusions .
the above analysis clearly shows that while there is a certain incidence of apostasy in new religious movements, the overwhelming majority of people who disengage themselves from these non-conforming religions harbor no lasting ill-will toward their past religious associations and activities.
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amac
I am sorry that I am not the best at expressing my thoughts in writing. This is a result of being "stuck on stupid" as the almighty and rightfully pompous LDH has pointed out.
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LDH -
You are advocating that the only "expert witnesses" are those who have no vested interest in the matter.
No, obviously an expert witness would have to have an interest, or they wouldn't be an expert. To use your African example. If I needed an expert witness, I would not choose an African woman who has liberated herself from her tribe and it's traditions and in her newfound state was quite pissed off about what her tribe did to her. This doesn't mean I discount what she has to say, but for an expert I would rather have someone that does not feel they have been (or has been) victimized by the party in question. Just my opinion, and we all know what those are worth.
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if you don't mind what is your current status if i may ask
I don't mind. I am agnostic. My wife is still a practicing JW and, while I don't hide my beliefs from her, I fully support her decision and attend meetings with her and my children. Most of my friends and family are still JWs.