but they themselves rebelled and made his holy spirit feel hurt.
he now was changed into an enemy of theirs; he himself warred against them.
*how can an 'impersonal force' feel hurt??
but they themselves rebelled and made his holy spirit feel hurt.
he now was changed into an enemy of theirs; he himself warred against them.
*how can an 'impersonal force' feel hurt??
Hi there, Tyre. I haven't welcomed you to the board yet.
So...you realize that we don't all believe God is an impersonal force, or all believe the Bible, or anything, right?
SNG
Some of you may be don't care with others person which is still being slave by WT Soc. and ViceVersa.
but I do, I do care with them. Actually I search for others opinions from you before having discussing with elder or something, at least I knew the answer from you.
I never be a JW. I am a Trinitarians, trying to help person which is still a JW in my country.
Please led me. I am new one in learning WT Soc. This forum fill me with so much informations.
thank you in advance.
but they themselves rebelled and made his holy spirit feel hurt.
he now was changed into an enemy of theirs; he himself warred against them.
*how can an 'impersonal force' feel hurt??
10 But they themselves rebelled and made his holy spirit FEEL HURT. He now was changed into an enemy of theirs; he himself warred against them.
*How can an 'impersonal force' FEEL HURT?? (Isa 63: 10 NWT)
a jw marries a mormon.
they have quintuplets.
their doctor then exclaims:"oh my gods!
A JW marries a Mormon. They have quintuplets. Their Doctor then exclaims:"Oh my GodS!"........
...................................but moses said to them: "why are you quarreling with me?
why do you keep putting jehovah to the test?
"...............................................................................................................................so he called the name of the place massah and meribah, because of their putting jehovah to the test, saying; "is jehovah in our midst or not?
Why does Jehovah God have to Rest? Does he have limited stamina? Only those with limited available energy have to rest! What kind of weakling God is this?
carmel of "inquiring minds want to know" class
Hello Carmel,
As I heard from JWs that Jehovah would rest and become our GRANDFATHER and Jesus would become our FATHER and We will become SONS OF GOD.
Oh, I just LOVE the NWT.................................LOL...................
...................................but moses said to them: "why are you quarreling with me?
why do you keep putting jehovah to the test?
"...............................................................................................................................so he called the name of the place massah and meribah, because of their putting jehovah to the test, saying; "is jehovah in our midst or not?
After reading from Matthew above. Do you dare to speak a word against to Holy Spirit? Tell me Tyre, do your eyes bug out, head bob, and fingers uncontrolably point at the screen when you type these rantings.
Hello peacefullpete,
so you understand it. Just asking you.
*Why speak a word againts an impersonal force so unforgiven?
*could you explain to me what does the bible said to you in Matthew 12: 31-32 NWT?
Oh, I just LOVE the NWT.................................LOL...................
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/76298/1232769/post.ashx#1232769
...................................but moses said to them: "why are you quarreling with me?
why do you keep putting jehovah to the test?
"...............................................................................................................................so he called the name of the place massah and meribah, because of their putting jehovah to the test, saying; "is jehovah in our midst or not?
i like your posts tyre. easy to read and spiritually upbuilding. being raised a witness myself, i still feel a little uncomfortable praying to jesus... but what about praying to the Holy Spirit? is that allowed by trinitarians? i have never heard anyone do it. do you have any scriptures or angles that could shed light on this subject? thank you in advance for your replybethelight
Hello Bethelight,
I will hightlighted too about praying to Yesus.
i still feel a little uncomfortable praying to jesus
Why? Please read below.
In Acts chapter 7, Stephen was stoned to death. Before he died, Stephen looked into heaven and saw Jesus "standing at God`s right hand."(verses 55 and 56). Presumably, Jesus was standing at the
right hand of God the Father. Even tho Stephen saw God the Father,YET HE DIRECTED THE FOLLOWING PRAYER TO JESUS>
...."Lord Jesus, receive my spirit." Acts 7:59b(NWT)
Why did Stephen direct this prayer to Jesus? Because he had the promise of the Lord, in which Jesus said:
Also, whatever it is that you ask in my name, I WILL DO THIS, in order that the Father may be glorified in connection with* the Son. If you ask anything in my name, I WILL DO IT. John 14:13-14(NWT)
*According to the Diaglott and the left column of the KIT, the words "connection with" shouldn`t be there. The Father is glorified IN the Son, not in "connection with" the Son.
Carefully consider the following verses:
I write these things that you may know that you have life everlasting, you who put your faith in the NAME of the SON OF GOD. And this is the confidence that we have toward HIM,that, no matter what it is that we ask according to HIS will, HE hears us. Further, if we know HE hears us respecting whatever we are asking, we know we are to have the things asked SINCE WE HAVE ASKED THEM OF HIM.
1 John 5:13-15 (NWT)
JEHOVAH WIL indeed HEAR my request for favor; JEHOVAH
HIMSELF WILL ACCEPT MY OWN PRAYER. Psalm 6:9(NWT)
Oh, I just LOVE the NWT.....................LOL..............
Here is my others post, please click the link http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/76298/1.ashx
Prayer and Worship are closely intertwined. If Jesus is not Jehovah God, then Thomas(Jo.20:26b-29--NWT) was in DIRECT VIOLATION of the commandment to worship Jehovah God only. Jesus would have HAD to rebuke Thomas, saying:'You are NOT to worship Me, You are to worship JEHOVAH GOD ONLY'. But Jesus did NOT rebuke Thomas for his worship, only for his unbelief.
Does this make the angel(Rev.), Paul and Barnabas more honorable than Jesus, or is Jesus really God, as Thomas recognized>
The WT Soc.`s position is that "My Lord and My God" is in the vocative case, spoken by Thomas when he was excited and upset.(In other words, Thomas said: "My Lord". Then, clamping his hand over his eyes, he went on to say"and[oh] my God.", much as one today might exclaim;"oMG!" This absurd proposition only worsens the situation. If this were the case, Thomas would have been guilty of blasphemy,and once again Jesus would HAVE HAD TO rebuke him. But Jesus didn`t say: "Because you have seen me you have blasphemed." and Jesus said: "
Because you have seen me you have BELIEVED."
Bethelight, in a non-WTBS Soc. Bible, refer to the following scriptures in Mathew: 8:2,9:18, 14:33,15:25,20:20,28:9, and 28:17. In each of these scriptures Jesus was worshipped and ACCEPTED that Worship. The NWT uses the word "Obeisance" in place of worship in those scriptures, and the Diaglott uses "prostrated" Regardless, it was WORSHIP.(Proskuneo)...................
acts chapter 5 speaks for itself.
it is quite obvious that, not only did peter regard the holy spirit as personal, but as god himself present with his people.
as you read the nwt`s version, ask yourself the following questions:
Hello Mark,
(Matthew 12: 31-32 NWT) 31 ?On this account I say to YOU , Every sort of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven. 32 For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in this system of things nor in that to come.
After reading from Matthew above. Do you dare to speak a word against to Holy Spirit? Why so unforgiven? could you explain to me what does the bible said to you? Here is my other posts? http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/76300/1.ashx
...................................but moses said to them: "why are you quarreling with me?
why do you keep putting jehovah to the test?
"...............................................................................................................................so he called the name of the place massah and meribah, because of their putting jehovah to the test, saying; "is jehovah in our midst or not?
Hello again peacefullpete,
(Matthew 12: 31-32 NWT) 31 ?On this account I say to YOU , Every sort of sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the spirit will not be forgiven. 32 For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in this system of things nor in that to come.
After reading from Matthew above. Do you dare to speak a word against to Holy Spirit? Why so unforgiven? could you explain to me what does the bible said to you?
...................................but moses said to them: "why are you quarreling with me?
why do you keep putting jehovah to the test?
"...............................................................................................................................so he called the name of the place massah and meribah, because of their putting jehovah to the test, saying; "is jehovah in our midst or not?
i like your posts tyre. easy to read and spiritually upbuilding. being raised a witness myself, i still feel a little uncomfortable praying to jesus... but what about praying to the Holy Spirit? is that allowed by trinitarians? i have never heard anyone do it. do you have any scriptures or angles that could shed light on this subject? thank you in advance for your reply
Hello Bethelight,
Yes, I did it, my answer already answered by UnDisfellowshipped .
Hello peacefullpete,
There have been fine threads that dealt with the evolution of the trinitarian conceptualization of the holy spirit. Here's one by Leolaia. The Holy Spirit
Thank you peacefullpete, the evolution of the trinitarians conceptualization of Holy Spirit, Hrmmm, are you still believe with your bible? What if the bible said about HS? How about if the Bible say to you that Name of Holy Spirit = Jehovah? could you please explain to me below ?
If the Holy Spirit were merely an impersonal force, it would be BLASPHEMOUS to give it the name Jehovah. Is 2 Cor 3 blasphemous?
Now Jehovah is the Spirit; and where the spirit of Jehovah is, there is freedom. And all of us, while we with unveiled faces reflect like mirrors the glory of Jehovah, are transformed into the same image from glory to glory, exactly as done by Jehovah[the] Spirit. 2 Cor 3:17-18(NWT)
If Jehovah is the Spirit, then He must be the same Spirit that Peter was talking about in Acts 5:9 in the NWT when he spoke of the "spirit of Jehovah." "God is a Spirit," acc. to John 4:24 in the NWT. Is Jehovah God Himself an impersonal active force?
The Holy Spirit is called the "spirit of Jehovah" in these other NWT scriptures, as well:
Judges 3:10, ii Chron.18:23, 20:14, Isa 11:2, 59:19-21,61:1, 63:14, Ezek, 11:5, 37:1, Michah 2:7, 3:8, and Acts 5:9.
Jehovah refers to "His Spirit" in: Gen.6:3, Num. 11:29, Ezek.39:29, Joel 2:28-29, Hag.2:5, Zech.4:6 and 7:12.................:=)))
