Fantastic News! I'm happy for all of you.
Your Doc sounds incredibly good, it is amazing the skills they have !
as mentioned in my other thread, my daughter lena is having brainsurgery on monday, jan 24. the surgery will last 6-7 hours, so i'm hoping the board members will be willing to make a special effort tomorrow to send positive thoughts, healing energy, good wishes and prayers her way.
we are asking that the surgeon's hands be delicate and skillful and that lena does not bleed overmuch and that brain damage be minimal (if not non-existant).
surgery begins at 8 am eastern standard time (us), but we have to have her to the hospital by 6 am, so this is "good night!
Fantastic News! I'm happy for all of you.
Your Doc sounds incredibly good, it is amazing the skills they have !
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when they were young, they fought the nazis, and then bore witness to the extreme depravity of which human beings are capable.
now in or nearing their 80s and 90s, the allied soldiers who liberated the concentration camps of .
Thanks. I did pm ya' too !
I wanted to add:
This lady was humiliated and hurt, but, her dignity could never be taken away. Not even by Hitler & Co.
We can't let the WTS do it either...
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when they were young, they fought the nazis, and then bore witness to the extreme depravity of which human beings are capable.
now in or nearing their 80s and 90s, the allied soldiers who liberated the concentration camps of .
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Thank you for that sobering reminder of the darker side of humanity.
I knew, for many years a fine little old German lady, that spent WW2 in Hitler's Concentration Camps. No one that I knew at the KH...knew. She simply never talked about her Mom & Dad and several sisters & brothers, husband & child...who were separated...then forever disappeared.
One day at the Donut Shop on break as a Reg. Pioneer, I found out when I saw some numbers tatooed on the inside of her arm, as she reached for her cup of coffee. She kept saying, "Eet vas notheen..." in her heavy accent. It took a while, but, after I said I had seen pictures of tatoos like that before...she told us the story.
She told us about her family...only herself and a sister survived. I watched her eyes carefully...I did not want to go "too far" with my questions. The very odd thing was...she was constantly trying to 'soften the blow' for us. It was tho' she was protecting us from the nastiness and horror she had lived thru.
For instance, I asked about food. "I've heard so many horror stories about the starvation there. Was that true ? What DID you eat ?" She had this 'flash' of memory go across her face and in hers eyes...then, "Oh, n-o-o-o..vee hadt plenty uff food and a lot uff variety, too!" "W-w-hat... !? "How can that be ?" "Oh," she says, "Vun day vee vould haff potatoes und vater, dee next day vee vould haff vater und potatoes !" Then she was laughing and slapping the table over her joke.
We were stunned by this ladies attitude, she was not bitter, she was not unhappy. Going out in service in 100° or freezing temps, we thought we would just die before we got to Dunkin' Donuts or lunch or home. Our lives were SO damned hard, dammit.
We felt like real titty babies after hearing her experiences. We realized we had NEVER had a BAD day...EVER.
She was in the Camps, because of her being a JW. An interesting thing she told us was: JW's were the ONLY ones imprisoned who could walk out...anytime. All they needed to do was sign a document, giving their allegence to Hitler, promising not to fight against him, etc. She said a few did, but, not many. I was so proud back then of the stand the German JW's took. Now...I still admire someone sticking to their ideals. But, knowing the WTS as I do now, it is sad how many people have died needlessly from blood, transplants, suicide, political (NAZI, Rawanda, etc., and other uniquely JW issues...all for nothing.
In my house there is a beautiful painting of a colorful canyon in Arizona. This oil painting was created by hands and eyes and the mind of a little old German lady, who survived the very worst humanity had to offer in modern history.
She had painted it for her best friend, my Mom. She outlived my Mom. They are both gone now.
It is mine now and I will treasure it always.
"Walk in someone else's shoes"
how are you coping?
do you use a cpap machine or did you get surgery to correct your difficulties?
do you dread having to go to sleep, with the possibility that you may never awaken?
Prophesor & others,
I had no idea so many of you also had this problem. And y'all are right on about all the problems it causes. The solution is bulky and uncomfortable to wear and those midnight leaks....aaarghh! But, the change in my life was amazing. I was alert and content, my crabbiness went away and I had ENERGY again.
I thought for a long time...that my 'waking up in a panic and try to catch my breath' was due to an unremembered dream or more likely a seizure, I have epilepsy. I mentioned it off-hand to my Doc...he stopped, came back in and listened carefully.
For people without insurance or funds...knowing what I know now about the dangers...the stress it puts on your heart, kidneys, brain, blood pressure, bladder, and socially ...learn about this and present it to anyone who could help financially.
It could save your job, marriage & life.
This is a very helpful thread...thanks for starting it.
how are you coping?
do you use a cpap machine or did you get surgery to correct your difficulties?
do you dread having to go to sleep, with the possibility that you may never awaken?
Darth Vader...yep that's me!
There are a lot of unknowns with this, but, if you are not getting enough sleep...it can cause depression, low hormone levels and even kidney problems. Most people who have Sleep Apnea get up a lot at night to urinate. The Doc told me 'normal' peoples kidneys shut down for rest & repair while in deep sleep. If you are awaking/stopping breathing hundreds of times a night...your kidneys process urine 24 hours a day...which can wear them out. It is very serious.
My Sleep Study showed close to 50 'events' an hour, to various degrees. So I was not getting much normal sleep and almost no "REM.' Not much SEX or KISS either.
Low hormones in men can cause weight gain and depression, weight gain (thicker neck) can cause obstructive sleep apnea...which can cause day time sleepiness and on and on....
I lost about 35lbs...I no longer use my $1600 machine. I hated that thing, but, I slept like a baby. I am keeping it for a rainy day tho'.:
Now imagine a Rabbit...with a CRAP CPAP mask on breathing... like Darth.
See if the below sounds familiar to CPAP users:
Darth Vabbit (DV): shooofff - teeesh... (breathing) shooofff - teeesh... poke-poke
Mrs. Vabbit (MV)...W-what...yawns
DV: poke-poke...wnna boo woun? ...uh?
MV: W-what...?
DV: poke-poke-poke...Heel da hoarse...da horse es rong wih des on! shooofff - teeesh...
MV: Ah..can't hear you, honey. Take off that stupid, noisy mask, k?
DV: (lifts up corner of mask...) WHOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSHHHHHH... Wanna fool around ?
DV: Feel the force...the force is strong with this one!
MV: Well, why didn't you SAY so, honey? OK, but, NOT with that stupid mask on, k?
DV: Awww...honey. It'll be fun...you know, 'role playing'...k?
MV: Hon...NO! That is just plain weird...I don't wanna fool around with Darth Vader.
DV: poke-poke-poke...But, it's NOT Vader, it's me.
MV: It doesn't LOOK like you!
DV: ...poke...
MV: Well...OK. Just this once, it might be fun. After all you said you 'get more air' with that thing, even if we can't kiss...Honey...?
Darth Vabbit:
but weirdly enough, i've been mentioned here before, when one of my posts at lj (about whether or not subjection to the organization is relative) caused a bit of a war among ljjws.
i found this forum googling my username, actually.
i was wondering if anyone here has any theories as to why it is that, the more meetings we skip, the less we want to go.
Maidden I feel like I'm leaving safe ground to... where? What is there? I've been catholic, evangelist, in spiritism, then jw. Where do I go from here? =/
How many times have we all heard from the podium or other JW's: "This is the Truth. There is no other place to go. We CAN"T "be any part of the world" and still be approved by Jehovah. We are God's chosen ones..." Blah, blah, blah. I would be a rich man if I had a dollar for every time I heard one of those JWisms.
I think most of the people here felt just like you do, ( I know I did ) we were a little scared at first..."Where DO we go from here?" I can answer that very precisely: X-JW's are a very diverse group, they are following their hearts and minds. As long as they are being truthful to themselves, I certainly cannot find any fault in that.
It's really nice NOT to live such a judgmental life, like I did in the past.
but weirdly enough, i've been mentioned here before, when one of my posts at lj (about whether or not subjection to the organization is relative) caused a bit of a war among ljjws.
i found this forum googling my username, actually.
i was wondering if anyone here has any theories as to why it is that, the more meetings we skip, the less we want to go.
Seeitall, I am so sorry we have this terrible thing in common. Write anytime.
Maidden, I hope your situation is that you can just stop. Many people, like me, could not...we had to fade away to stay 'under the radar' long enough that the Elders would forget about us. It worked for me -- so far. I have loads of family, if I was DF'd it would cause a lot of problems.
You are young, stay here and read everyone's experiences, you may see why it may be a good thing to stop now.
Welcome!
I haven't read the other 5 pages yet, but, I think "Fear of the Unknown" is one of the greatest hinderences to people.
People are afraid of computers, until they have experience, marriage, rock climbing, spiders, electricity, water, heights, etc., etc. Usually, once someone has experience or even better...education about a subject, their fear evaporates.
I'll use one example that has always amazed me: A policeman is trying to arrest someone who is armed and dangerous. The suspect is very violent and better armed than the cop, he's firing at the police, yet, these guys keep their cool, in almost all instances the bad guy goes down.
Of course, it's his weapons or martial arts training. It's education and gun/physical fight experience that allows him to 'do his job' and not panic.
My 2¢
one of my stellar favorites was the flintstones and a close 2nd the jetsons.
their appeal to family values are things i have ascribed to in my adulthood.
willllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!
Rocky & Bullwinkle
Roadrunner
and of course, the smart-ass king:
Bugs Bunny !
What a maroon !
but weirdly enough, i've been mentioned here before, when one of my posts at lj (about whether or not subjection to the organization is relative) caused a bit of a war among ljjws.
i found this forum googling my username, actually.
i was wondering if anyone here has any theories as to why it is that, the more meetings we skip, the less we want to go.
Hi Maidden,
Welcome !
I think the less indoctrination we are exposed to...the less of a hold it has on us. The WTS likes to keep the flock SO busy with meetings, service, Bible studies, studying for each meeting and parts on the meetings...they have NO personal time. That translates into mind-numbing obedience. The more time away...our brains calm down and have time to reflect on how we are living our lives.
I'm a slow-learner. It took me 35 years to realize the KH is a bad place to "eat." In fact it's deadly.
My Mom died. No blood transfusion. She needed Oxygen.
WT said, "No."