Posts by Rabbit

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Anathema of Science and Religion

by LittleToe in

just a short "starter for ten" question:.

have you noticed how so many exjws are polarised as to their views of particularly science and religion?

some seem to take the time to get informed, and others are content to hold onto previous [mis]conceptions (most likely coloured by the wts) about science and religion being evil and/or corrupt.

Rabbit

LT

Rabbit:You've demonstrated my point. It's like there's a "reaction" to certain topics that are sometimes difficult to overcome. Even when it's possible to muster up something good to say, it's softened by emphasising either the bad or how rare it is.

I meant to. And I readily admit I have a "reaction" to religious thoughts nowadays. I believe what I said is fair. There is good & bad in religion...any other statement would be false, imho. Don't you agree? Don't you "react", too?

I am a 'work in progress'. As a JW I couldn't see any good in any belief system that wasn't WTB&TS. Now...with a lot of help from people on ex-jw boards and especially what I've seen with my own eyes...I've moderated my viewpoint. I've seen incredible love and helpfullness from churches that my wife and DIL attend toward them and others. I understand why 'the plate' gets passed (now) -- true charity, education, financial & emotional support, child care, etc.

I don't go around telling people they should not have a belief in a god or religion.I do say, "I don't need it." I also say, "Never say never...I have no idea where my beliefs will end up in a few years, but, this time it will be natural."

Addendum: If some people do good merely because they are good, what is the big issue with them living their lives according to a particular framework of belief? I guess my pidge with this is that the terms in which such people are described include such adjectives as deluded, etc.

Whence comes this intense need to derogatorily describe folks whose opinions and frame of reference differ from our own?

"Hey, you talkin' to me?"

I could be wrong, but, I don't think I am 'one of those' intensely derogatory people.

I personally have no "big issue" as long as their beliefs "harm none". If they harm folks I don't know, I'll get miffed, if they harm those I care about that's another story.

Delude, deluded
1. To deceive the mind or judgment.

I do believe people in cults can be very deluded and dangerous.
I know I was...I refused a blood transfusion for one of my newborn children!! We were Kingdom Hall heroes, we "...had faith like Abraham." We had the "faith" to kill our child over an idea! Luckily, our baby lived.

I'll admit it..."faith" in the supernatural has very bad memories. For me it's -- scary.

I'm agnostic (i.e. fence rider, wishy-washy, can't make up my mind, hedging my bet, etc.) so maybe I'm deluded (still), but, as long as my belief/faith doesn't hurt anyone... I hope people will leave me to my "particular framework" of delusions.

Rabbit (agnostic = I-don't-know class)

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Anathema of Science and Religion

by LittleToe in

just a short "starter for ten" question:.

have you noticed how so many exjws are polarised as to their views of particularly science and religion?

some seem to take the time to get informed, and others are content to hold onto previous [mis]conceptions (most likely coloured by the wts) about science and religion being evil and/or corrupt.

Rabbit

And...

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Both have their share of past Truth ™ , but, were later proven false.

What I love about science, tho', is the quest to really prove a point with evidence. Not like religion that wants/needs to make their conclusions (evidence?) fit their current beliefs.

What I admire about SOME religions (sorry...that still makes me throw up a little in my mouth) is the good and charitable works that they actually do -- at times. Religion does seem to try to motivate followers toward a 'higher' plane of human kindness.

However...

I thought I was on that 'higher plane' at one time. All of us here probably thought the same. And the people that perform the 'good and charitable works' that I admire now...may only do so because of the "carrot & stick" (or the Fist of God). OR, because they are just simply good people already.

I know I can be a good man...without a religion or a god. So, why would I ever entertain the thought of that control again?

Rabbit

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Another NO Blood death

by uninformed in

i saw this on another site.. .

http://www.sheffieldtoday.net/viewarticle2.aspx?sectionid=58&articleid=1944306.

brant.

Rabbit

It's so strange to see folks put their lives and trust in a doctors experienced hands, then tie those same helping hands. My JW Mom died surrounded by people who could help -- and those who made sure no help would come.

Rabbit

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Help me with my Last Will and Testament

by Fatfreek in

i'm not getting any younger and i'm trying to come up with some statements before i take it to my lawyer.

snip,snip .

i bequeath to the following beneficiaries proceeds which shall be extracted from my remaining assets, with a certain stipulation, as follows:.

Rabbit

As much satisfaction and hope that that would bring...ya' gotta remember, my friend, "You can lead a horse to water, but, ya' can't make him drink."

I like the Crisis of Conscience suggestion and would add something like "Re-examine.org", Silent Lambs, Freeminds, etc. Then, leave 'em all an equal share...that fair-play from the grave should make an impression on them. They already know you could cut them all out.

Anyway, that's what I decided for my kids. Two of them still shun me.

Shock and Awe... "He was an APOSTATE...and yet..."

Rabbit

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BIG TOE INVALIDATES BAPTISM. :D

by vitty in

jw
friends

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did anyone have to get dunked twice at their baptism because you still had your big toe sticking out of the water ????.

ive seen this happen a couple of times.

Rabbit

Isn't it a 'sure thing' that the toes get wet -- as soon as you get in ?

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Otherwise Engaged...

by LittleToe in

just a little breaking news:.

after several years of a great friendship with diane (previously posted as xena) things have started to really come together recently and i've succumbed to making an honest woman of her (or at least as honest as it's possible to make her.

last night (xmas day) i popped the question and she agreed to marry me (i wonder if she knows what she's let herself in for!!!)..

Rabbit

Awwww...I'm not surprised at all! Every time ya' get those two in the same room you can hear the electricity cracklin'...

Congratulations to the both of you !

Mzz Rabbit said , "Well, tell Ross I love him anyway."

The Rabbits

edited to say: I became an Emperor with this post !

And I can't think of a better subject to give my 2,000th comment on. Congratulations again!

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"You are starting to sound like an apostate!"

by MadTiger in

jw
friends

where does the line form to pick up my medal?

hahhaahha!

this is what my best friend said.

Rabbit

Yep! Me, too. I was talking to one of my JW kids (they brought up religion, trying to "encourage" me) we talked about the changes in WT 'thinking' on Blood and Organ Transplants. I happened to mention all the deaths that were required bt the current WT 'thinking'...only to be flip-flopped later.

Kid responded: Well...the has gotten brighter...!?

Me: So-o...was the WT wrong back then ? Or now ?

Kid:"You may not realize it, but,You are starting to sound like an apostate!"

Me:Me-e...? No, never...I just, ya' know...I have a few doubts.

Can you imagine *me* an apostate?

Rabbit

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Hemopure cows blood

by skyking in

this allowed by the borg for jw's to use in place of transfusion of regular human blood notice the concerns even by outside people, over the fact this cows blood raising safety issues.. http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/12-06/12-15-06/01health.htm.

the navy's latest proposal to test a blood substitute made by a massachusetts company on 1,100 trauma victims appears more likely to earn a go-ahead from regulators who had blocked the experiment over safety concerns.

the navy wants to test the product, derived from cow blood, on civilian trauma victims in emergency situations.

Rabbit

SB crazy thought ~ if animal blood is used for a "blood alternative", how will this alter the makeup of blood over the years? could this feed the theory of evolution? if human blood changes ENOUGH, then it's only logical to think that humans will change, physiologically. any science buffs out there that could say "yay" or "nay" to this theory?

No-o...it'll be Moo-oo or baahhhhh...!

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"Family day" Is this a new jdub thing?

by cultswatter in

i know of jws that celebrate "family day" at this time of year.

i have asked these jw about where they got the term "family day" was it from the watchtower?

they seem to deny the watchtower had ever mentioned "family day", but i can sense they are trying to hide something here.

Rabbit

I guess when my kids were growing up, we must have been 'liberals', as JW's go. We actually had a "Special Day" for each of our kids, we would rent a conference room at a bank, etc. and have cake, party favors, music...and curiously...it would be within a few weeks of each of their birthdays. No presents, tho'.

Hmmm...wonder what that was all about ? Btw, my (now x-wife) dub wife and I even confided in each other..."We don't want them to feel...left out, do we?" "No...and it's not like it's a birthday party, just a 'special' party."

Then, since the kids didn't get any gifts on those 'special' parties, we all exchanged gifts on our wedding anniversary. We didn't want them to feel 'left out', did we?

Rabbit(celebrates anything now, class)

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Another Brazilian Transfusion Case

by rosa in

now, a jw physician is envolved.

police will investigate the 19 years old woman's death and the paper of hospital, lhc elders and jw doctor.

all in portuguese, in these links: .

Rabbit

...and Jehovah and his Governing body...smiled.