Posts by AMNESIAN

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Who are these people? Amnesian? bjc2read?

by gringojj in

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ok we have recently had some people starting threads about the bethel couple and watchtowerfarm.org.

of course if this is a fake, then we have to wonder what is the motive behind it.

i may be looking into this too much but i looked at the 2 people who started posts on this subject.

AMNESIAN

The first one was someone named bjc2read. This person has been a member for 3 years and has made 46 posts. Not a very active member. Does anyone know who this person is? The second is a person named Amnesian. Amnesian has been a member over 4 years, and hasmade 265 posts. So here we have 2 relatively inactive members showing up to report on this subject. Could they have some sort of agenda here?

"...not a very active member."

"...relatively inactive members."

Absurd in its irony, mildly amusing even, on a board heavily populated with "inactive" JWs, many of whom are shunned and abused for crimes no more grievous than having not turned in an approved number of field service hours or having failed to parrot the requisite number of comments in meetings in order that "[one's] advancement may be manifest to all persons."

Hardly surprising, though, given that cultic mindsets die very hard, if at all.

It's possible that nearly everything has already been said, documented, illustrated and argued. Now a largely younger generation of JWDites explore many of the same issues with varying degrees of comprehension.

Perfectly elucidated, TMS.

AMNESIAN

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WatchtowerFarm.Org: JWs and Ex-JWs Continue Destroying Their Wounded!

by AMNESIAN in

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below is the most recent in a lengthy exchange between the elderly bethel brother who arranged for the setting up and hosting of watchtowerfarm.org and an initially-suspicious inquirer.

(for background see: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/95848/1.ashx)

the entire exchange that precedes it is heartbreakingly illuminating as regards the tragic plight of elderly bethelites who've devoted their lives to the wbts and should, imo, be disseminated far and wide.

AMNESIAN

"huh? Can't say that I understood any of this exchange and what the point was."

I'm sorry. You will have to be familiar with a previous thread for this to make any sense, and it still may not. I'm afraid I only have a limited amount of time to jump in on this. You may refer here if you wish: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/95848/1.ashx

AMNESIAN

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Long-Time Bethelites Organizing To Leave Headquarters!

by bjc2read in

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the following link shows there are serious problems stirring at bethel headquarters for the watchtower society.

it appears, many long-time bethelites are organizing to leave headquarters!

here is the link,.

AMNESIAN

Below is the most recent in a lengthy exchange between the elderly Bethel brother who arranged for the setting up and hosting of WatchtowerFarm.Org and an initially-suspicious inquirer.

The entire exchange that precedes it is heartbreakingly illuminating as regards the tragic plight of elderly Bethelites who've devoted their lives to the WBTS and should, imo, be disseminated far and wide. Although the Bethel brother has left it up to his inquirer's judgement as to whether or not to have me post it on this board, because I fear it might cause him and his wife and friends even more anguish and harrassment, I cannot conscientiously agree to do so, at least for the present.

I, on my own, however, have decided to post the following --against my better judgement and without having obtained permission of the participating parties. I may wind up regretting doing so, but, hopefully, it will staunch some of the sad damage being done.

AMNESIAN
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Inquirer:

Thank you Brother ________ for your [agreeing] to my request to post our exchange. Your words have touched me deeply and I thank you for sharing them with me. I do believe that they can have an impact on others if allowed to read them. You, understandably, are quite out of touch with the depth of disaffection and disillusionment that also afflicts Jehovah's Witnesses in general who are beyond the hallowed boundaries of Bethel properties.

Despite your own fearlessness, I do not think it wise for you, your wife and other older friends, at this stage in your lives and in your precarious circumstances, to incur the wrath of the WBTS leadership who has shown itself to be mercilessly vindictive toward those who disagree or merely question. For that reason I have considered it prudent to edit out your name and specific work on the farm you do, that is, with your permission.

Please take your time and review the following. If it meets with your approval, let me know and I will have it posted. If there are changes you wish to be made, feel free to indicate them. Although you apparently do not realize it, what you have written is of the utmost interest (especially your last message regarding the foregoing of having children) to vast numbers of Jehovah's Witnesses and should be circulated. But, again, not at your peril and only with your permission, sir.

Do forgive my continuing to pester you.

With deepest respect.
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WatchtowerFarm.Org:

Brother _______, it seems that the members of the Jehovah's Witness community or ex-Jehovah's Witnesses community are doggedly pursuing if we are genuine or not. Now someone has found the name and email address of the woman who helped us put up this website and she is being harrassed.

I have heard of people being curious, but that someone would go so far is beyond me.

As you know, we have very little money and to sell online is not cheap. You have to have a paypal account and even the website costs money each month. Besides that, every sale we make a percentage of that goes to the host website or some such entity. Anyway, this woman made arrangements with her daughter who lives in New York City for us to have a website of hers that she got cheap through eBay. She is paying the cost of the website each month and she is also paying for paypal and some other stuff. We are making less than $1.00 for each book sold, but we would surely reimburse her if we made any money to speak of.

Anyway, they are acusing her of being us. She is upset and does not know how to respond. I can't take this stress anymore and she certainly does not deserve this. She just tried to do us a favor. She offered it to us in the spirit of love and helpfulness and I cannot let her take abuse. I think it would be best if I just closed the website and put a stop to all of this.

I suppossed that witnesses are so used to being fooled that they think everyone is doing it.

We don't know where they found her name and email address, but it is just too much.

I will always remember your kindness, but I am just a tired old man who for a moment thought I had an idea to change my life. Oh, well......

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WatchtowerFarm.Org: JWs and Ex-JWs Continue Destroying Their Wounded!

by AMNESIAN in

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friends

below is the most recent in a lengthy exchange between the elderly bethel brother who arranged for the setting up and hosting of watchtowerfarm.org and an initially-suspicious inquirer.

(for background see: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/95848/1.ashx)

the entire exchange that precedes it is heartbreakingly illuminating as regards the tragic plight of elderly bethelites who've devoted their lives to the wbts and should, imo, be disseminated far and wide.

AMNESIAN

Below is the most recent in a lengthy exchange between the elderly Bethel brother who arranged for the setting up and hosting of WatchtowerFarm.Org and an initially-suspicious inquirer. (For background see: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/95848/1.ashx) The entire exchange that precedes it is heartbreakingly illuminating as regards the tragic plight of elderly Bethelites who've devoted their lives to the WBTS and should, imo, be disseminated far and wide. Although the Bethel brother has left it up to his inquirer's judgement as to whether or not to have me post it on this board, because I fear it might cause him and his wife and friends even more anguish and harrassment, I cannot conscientiously agree to do so, at least for the present. I, on my own, however, have decided to post the following --against my better judgement and without having obtained permission of the participating parties. I may wind up regretting doing so, but, hopefully, it will staunch some of the sad damage being done. AMNESIAN --------------- Inquirer: Thank you Brother ________ for your [agreeing] to my request to post our exchange. Your words have touched me deeply and I thank you for sharing them with me. I do believe that they can have an impact on others if allowed to read them. You, understandably, are quite out of touch with the depth of disaffection and disillusionment that also afflicts Jehovah's Witnesses in general who are beyond the hallowed boundaries of Bethel properties. Despite your own fearlessness, I do not think it wise for you, your wife and other older friends, at this stage in your lives and in your precarious circumstances, to incur the wrath of the WBTS leadership who has shown itself to be mercilessly vindictive toward those who disagree or merely question. For that reason I have considered it prudent to edit out your name and specific work on the farm you do, that is, with your permission. Please take your time and review the following. If it meets with your approval, let me know and I will have it posted. If there are changes you wish to be made, feel free to indicate them. Although you apparently do not realize it, what you have written is of the utmost interest (especially your last message regarding the foregoing of having children) to vast numbers of Jehovah's Witnesses and should be circulated. But, again, not at your peril and only with your permission, sir. Do forgive my continuing to pester you. With deepest respect.
--------------- WatchtowerFarm.Org: Brother _______, it seems that the members of the Jehovah's Witness community or ex-Jehovah's Witnesses community are doggedly pursuing if we are genuine or not. Now someone has found the name and email address of the woman who helped us put up this website and she is being harrassed. I have heard of people being curious, but that someone would go so far is beyond me. As you know, we have very little money and to sell online is not cheap. You have to have a paypal account and even the website costs money each month. Besides that, every sale we make a percentage of that goes to the host website or some such entity. Anyway, this woman made arrangements with her daughter who lives in New York City for us to have a website of hers that she got cheap through eBay. She is paying the cost of the website each month and she is also paying for paypal and some other stuff. We are making less than $1.00 for each book sold, but we would surely reimburse her if we made any money to speak of. Anyway, they are acusing her of being us. She is upset and does not know how to respond. I can't take this stress anymore and she certainly does not deserve this. She just tried to do us a favor. She offered it to us in the spirit of love and helpfulness and I cannot let her take abuse. I think it would be best if I just closed the website and put a stop to all of this. I suppossed that witnesses are so used to being fooled that they think everyone is doing it. We don't know where they found her name and email address, but it is just too much. I will always remember your kindness, but I am just a tired old man who for a moment thought I had an idea to change my life. Oh, well......

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need to vent - just got off phone with mom

by jaredg in

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man i hate the predicament that this religion has put me in.

i love my mom so much and to hear her cry is the worst thing in the world.

it's so frustrating when she thinks that things are so bad b/c i'm dfd.

AMNESIAN

willyloman:

Amnesian: What a lovely post! Your words are filled with truth.

You're very kind, love, I know so many of us parents share the same regrets yet deep gratitude for a second chance. I also know that stories like your family's and mine can serve to bolster the resolve of those experiencing despair to hang on when all appears bleak. AMNESIAN

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need to vent - just got off phone with mom

by jaredg in

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man i hate the predicament that this religion has put me in.

i love my mom so much and to hear her cry is the worst thing in the world.

it's so frustrating when she thinks that things are so bad b/c i'm dfd.

AMNESIAN

Jared,

Your post reminds me of one I've had in mind for a while now to prepare but have thus far procrastinated.

In the meantime, allow me to say briefly that willyloman's experience is nowhere near as rare as you might suppose among those of us longtime JWs who devoutly reared our children in the "truth."

Based on your age and your experience, your conversation with your mom and the mutual love/torment the two of you are obviously experiencing, I could be your mom; you could be my son...of a few years ago.

In 2001, though, to everyone's shock and utter horror, I snapped out of it, came to my senses, acted on doubts I'd long suppressed. I walked away from my last meeting at a KH after some 29 years as an extremely believing, extremely active and "regular," "exemplary" JW spouse and parent---something neither my husband (still a perfunctorily-active-but-much-less-believing JW), nor my beloved son, nor I could ever have imagined could occur under any possible circumstances.

Despite the nearly-unbearable past we both suffered as a result of WTS dictates, today my son and I have recovered our relationship, now with the added bonus of a wonderful and cherished daughter-in-law, something I'd begun to fear would be lost forever unless, as I cried heartbrokenly to him on more than one occasion, he pursue "reinstatement" and "returned to Jehovah."

Moral to the story, son: Never, ever give up hope and never, ever stop expressing your love to your parents. There are so many of us achingly regretful parents who are more grateful than mere words can express to have the forgiveness of our children for having been so misguided for so long.

AMNESIAN

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The Tobacco Bombshell

by Dogpatch in

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the tobacco bombshell

early in the decade of the 70?s, all jw?s were notified (in the tobacco-growing district) of a special meeting at the kingdom hall.

three representatives from wts, a district overseer and two circuit overseers delivered a symposium that brought an abrupt end for all jw?s working in the tobacco industry (whether selling cigarettes, manufacture, tobacco machinery, etc.

AMNESIAN

Powerful, sad and shocking. Thank you for posting this, Randy.

I vividly recall what a jolt of self-righteous specialness and holy-spirit-directed warmth electrified our JW community with the announcement of the new no-tobacco edict that night at the Service Meeting.

Amazingly (and shamefully, I'm now feeling), it is while reading this wrenching personal account, that I realize how compliance with this "new light" so tragically impacted a certain segment of JWs of whom I had absolutely no awareness in my brand-spanking, just-dried-off daze as a thoroughly-devoted new believer.

Because the area in which we served our time as JWs was 100% metropolitan/suburban, nicotine withdrawal and the possible jeopardizing of certain kinds of retail employment were pretty much the extent of dire consequences suffered by the few we knew of affected at all, I am stricken to my core by what you present here. I simply had no idea and have never, until now, learned anything that exposed how abusively this "adjustment" was executed against those whose livelihood depended on the tobacco industry.

"Bombshell!" indeed, in more ways than one: violently destructive for its victims and eye-opening for the uninformed.

Again, thanks for posting.

AMNESIAN

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No-Blood Card No Longer Issued/Dated Annually

by AMNESIAN in

december 2003 our kingdom ministry for the usa

"provisions to help us abstain from blood"

"baptized publishers who have previously completed an advance medical directive/release card or identity card with no print date or a 3/99 print date will not need to complete a new one this year.

AMNESIAN

December 2003 Our Kingdom Ministry for the USA "Provisions to Help Us Abstain From Blood" "Baptized publishers who have previously completed an Advance Medical Directive/Release card or Identity Card with no print date or a 3/99 print date will not need to complete a new one this year. For the Service Meeting the week of December 29, the secretary should have available sufficient quantities of the cards for newly baptized publishers, their children, and those needing replacements. Congregations will not be sent a consignment of these items. If the congregations does not have enough cards on hand, the secretary may check with nearby congregations or request more cards with the congregation's next literature request." -------------------- km 1/97 p. 2 Service Meetings for January

20 min: Time to Renew the Advance Medical Directive/Release Card. Qualified elder discusses importance of filling out card completely and carrying it at all times. This document speaks for you if you are unable to speak for yourself in an emergency. (Compare Proverbs 22:3.) A new card needs to be filled out every year to give a current declaration on refusal of blood, since some doctors and others have claimed that documents older than one year may not reflect a person?s current conviction. w84 12/1 p. 25 Your Life, Your Integrity and the Card Christians realize that after an accident they might be unconscious or unable to give a detailed explanation of why they cannot accept blood transfusions. Even if an injured Witness could speak and say that?in line with the principle of informed consent?he did not want blood administered, doctors or hospital personnel might worry that a lawsuit could result if they did not follow standard treatment. So for some years Jehovah?s Witnesses have carried a Medical Alert card. This is a signed, witnessed document that relieves physicians and hospital officials of liability for any complications that might seem to result from knowing about the refusal of blood. A new card is signed and dated each year; thus, the document is always current and valid.

km 6/75 p. 3 Announcements

New identification cards have been prepared. It is requested that these be issued to all baptized Kingdom publishers. When you issue the new identification cards, please have the publishers return the old ones. The old ones will then be destroyed by the congregations. The identification cards no longer carry a blood-transfusion declaration on the back. A separate card entitled "No Blood Transfusion" has been prepared and those who wish to carry such cards may obtain them through the congregation. These two cards can be ordered by the congregations with the regular literature orders at a rate of two for one cent.

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AMNESIAN

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Why Doesn't The WT. Get Embarrassed When They Talk About The Pharisees?

by minimus in

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one thing that i could never figure out was how the society could rail against the scribes and pharisees and not blink an eye.

what's up with that?

AMNESIAN

Why not? because their arrogance is unboundless and -- here's a new word -- UNEMBARASSABLE!

Make that two new words .

AMNESIAN

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I bought my daughter a bike

by teejay in

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the other day, my daughter and i celebrated her 4th birthday.

it wasnt much of a celebration only because i dont know how to go about celebrating birthdays.

all i knew to do was go to the grocery store close to where i drop her off everyday at the daycare and ordered her a little cake with happy birthday jj with sprinkles.

AMNESIAN

Would that every father had a greater appreciation of the monumental role ---positive or negative---he plays in the woman his daughter(s) will become.

Very touching. Good on you, Teejay.

AMNESIAN