LOL Crumpet
Does that mean if you walk into a restaurant all good loyal JW’s walk out mid meal? It makes you wonder huh.
Jahna
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40District Assembly eating rules....
by JH induring our district assembly which will be held at a coliseum, we were told not to go outside during the intermission, and not eat in restaurants near by.
we were told to bring our own food and eat inside the coliseum.
usually, the coliseum offers hot dogs and hamburgers and drinks, but the brothers refused this service.. .
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How many early Christians?
by Jahna ini was wondering for about a week or so, if anyone has done any research on the number of early christians?
last week i looked up the number of anointed still on earth and in 1935 there were 52 465. using that number you have to assume that about 91 500 slots are left open for early christians, who the wt says were all anointed, and any others who still need to be found in the past, and or future.
if we can add up all of the numbers some how it would either be more, or less then the magic 144 000. what that number honestly is, i imagine would be quite telling about the doctrine regarding this magic 144 000. .
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Thanks Blondie that was very helpful information.
So what the WT is saying is maybe some may not have been footstep followers, and maybe some may have not preached and maybe some were not actual Christians. Sounds like a lot of assumptions to me. MAYBE they have it wrong but won’t admit it.
In other words there is historical evidence that does put their doctrine up for scrutiny and said historical records can tear apart their nice little specialized group. I read over the 1951 Watchtower now that I got my cd to work again and it stated in 95 CE alone some 40 000 Christians suffered martyrdom. One could suspect that in 95 CE the vast majority were “True” (tm) Christians, we don’t even know how many more were put to death in the years before.
Remember we only have about 91 500 to play with according to the 1935 numbers of partakers.
In the year 300 CE we have the numbers you quoted about 844 000 early Christians, by simple math alone the WT is trying to say that so few “True” (tm) Christians actually existed (remember these are only the figure of the dead not the actual representation of all who existed during these times) one has to wonder why even mention this history of Christianity, the WT’s claim is that they don’t even represent “True” (tm) Christianity at all! Though interestingly the article goes on to mention that in about 300 CE Christians stood apart from the world, refused military service ect which isn’t so far off the mark of “True” tm Christians. In fact you can use the WT’s own history as proof of this.
According to Dec 15 1997 WT, on the great apostasy it says:
This great apostasy began after the death of the apostles. (Acts 20:29, 30) Following the so-called conversion of Constantine in the fourth century, vast numbers of pagans flocked to the form of Christianity that then prevailed. With what result? The book Early Christianity and Paganism states: “The comparatively little body of really earnest believers was lost in the great multitude of professed Christians.”
All in all history puts serious doubts on their doctrine and magic numbers. Even by their own words the numbers of “True” (tm) Christians are more then likely higher in 300 CE then they would like to have us believe, the WT claims much of the apostasy actually happened in and around the time of Constantine, which was 400 CE. A hundred years after the 844 000 were persecuted.
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How many early Christians?
by Jahna ini was wondering for about a week or so, if anyone has done any research on the number of early christians?
last week i looked up the number of anointed still on earth and in 1935 there were 52 465. using that number you have to assume that about 91 500 slots are left open for early christians, who the wt says were all anointed, and any others who still need to be found in the past, and or future.
if we can add up all of the numbers some how it would either be more, or less then the magic 144 000. what that number honestly is, i imagine would be quite telling about the doctrine regarding this magic 144 000. .
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I was wondering for about a week or so, if anyone has done any research on the number of early Christians? Here is why.
Last week I looked up the number of anointed still on Earth and in 1935 there were 52 465. Using that number you have to assume that about 91 500 slots are left open for early Christians, who the WT says were all anointed, and any others who still need to be found in the past, and or future.
If we can add up all of the numbers some how it would either be more, or less then the magic 144 000. What that number honestly is, I imagine would be quite telling about the doctrine regarding this magic 144 000.
I also have to wonder, when exactly the cut of period for early anointing of Christians happened.
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Circumcision and the WT
by Sangdigger inwhile discussing the old law and circumcision today with a friend, it hit me that i had never heard the wts say anything about its modern day practice, but only discussed the historical part of it.
but considering how they love to spout out streams of knowledge concerning everything there is to know, i couldnt help but think somewhere in the last century or so, they either condoned it, or condemned it.
(of course based on the current light at the time) .
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help prevent the spread of AIDS, I would love to see the actual research on that one.
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How many Remnant are left? Anyone know?
by Golden Girl ini was just reading something and got to wondering..does anyone know how many of the remnant are left?
isn't "the end" supposed to come when they are all gone?.
and how can they be leading the faithful and discreet slave if they live in our area?
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Here are some numbers I got from the WT CD
Year # of Partakers
1935 52465
1965 11550
1974 10723
1987 8808
1995 8645
2001 8730
2003 8565
I find it hard to believe that in almost 20 years, the numbers haven't really changed all that much.
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Explain you religion/beliefs in a nutshell
by devinsmom inlately i have been pondering my lack of a belief system.
i think that being a jw really turned me off to believing in anything since it was all crammed down my throat.. i have been feeling a need to believe in something.
i think i believe that something created us but not sure if it was one god or many.
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In a nutshell
Do not ask how to live, instead procede to do so.
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Watchtower play on words
by Jahna ini was looking at the aug 1, 2004 watchtower which discusses government, and on page 6 it basically states that the jw?s provides volunteer relief during times of disaster.
it points to earth quakes in el salvador in 2001 where the world wide brother hood sent not only relief but the jw?s built/repaired over 500 homes and 3 (here is the key phrase) houses of worship.
ok sounds great right, how noble a gesture.
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I was looking at the Aug 1, 2004 Watchtower which discusses Government, and on page 6 it basically states that the JW?s provides volunteer relief during times of disaster. It points to earth quakes in El Salvador in 2001 where the world wide brother hood sent not only relief but the JW?s built/repaired over 500 homes and 3 (here is the key phrase) houses of worship.
Ok sounds great right, how noble a gesture. But, would the witnesses build/repair houses of worship for other religions? I don?t think so. So they must mean Kingdom Halls. Wonder why they didn?t say that? Obviously because that is only taking care of their own, not the general public as the paragraph alludes to. This one slight change of wording gives the paragraph a whole different meaning. An outsider would read that as, look they helped other religions, in fact a JW could point to that paragraph and say the same thing. All the while I highly doubt that is really what happened. Not in totality anyways.
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Jehovah's Witnesses code of dress.
by onlyme in.
could anyone confirm or deny if the sisters code of dress still prohibits the wearing of trousers?.
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Jahna
In Northern New Brunswick we could wear pants in the winter, in service only. It was -40c ! One thing though, had to be under a skirt. Nothing like a skirt with track pants under it! Though they did require panty hose in the summer.
I often wonder, if stocking and garters counted as panty hose.
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Stupid Analogies/Illustrations/examples you hear dubs say over and over
by doodle-v inwhat are some stupid analogies that you here dubs use all the time to explain their faulty, destructing teachings?
or maybe ones you've used in the past that when you think about them now, make you cringe?.
here are a few that come to mind:.
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The dent in the bread pan one. You know where Adam and Eve are the dented bread pan and now we all are dented.
That one lead me to find a witness in the most bizarre of places online. And I wasn?t even using it in the JW context!
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How far back are j.w.'s allowed to research the w.t. doctrine?
by hubert in's research russel's and rutherford's teachings once they are baptized?
if not, where in their material does it instruct them not to?
how far back are they "allowed" to research?
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Hello Blondie
Actually they do go faithfully to meetings. What I think happens to a lot of them (the general average JW) is that meetings are so darn repetitive that you ?think? your paying close attention to it, but in reality your brain is just glancing at it because you already know (err in this case think you know) what it?s going to say. I think that is how I missed the generation change, and how my parents missed the details of blood fractions, I haven?t got up the courage yet to discuss the generation issue. The blood and old doctrine/apostate issue was enough for one day.
Then again I am just guessing.
Jahna