Nocturne

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  YESTERDAY'S ASSEMBLY SUCKED........

  by Mary in

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  well, i got dragged, kicking and screaming talked in to going to the assembly yesterday as a friend of mine was in the drama.

  what a freaking waste of time interesting experience.

  first of all, i had a tough time squeezing my larger than life ass bum into a seat that looked like it was made for a house-elf small child.

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  Nocturne

  All I got to say is....boy am I glad I didn't go this year
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  Need Help (Refuting JW Doctrines)

  by alaskagirl in

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  okay, i'm writing a letter to my brother explaining why i no longer believe the wtbts is god's earthly channel (since he asked).

  so i want to mention all the contradictory, scandalous, evil doctrines they teach or once taught.

  however, i need to have documented proof of them from "non-apostate" sources.

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  Nocturne

  Just tell him the destruction of Jerusalem didn't occur in 607 but in 586 bce, and challenge him to find one secular source that says otherwise.
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  Real Friends

  by Paradise Found in

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  real friends dont push you into being something you are not?

  real friends accept you for who you are without hesitation.

  it is impossible to be a real friend with conditional love.. so when you broke free from the watchtowers conditional love..did your dissapointment of bing rejected and ignord by friends and family damage the love and friendship you once had for individuals?.

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  Paradise Found,

  I know exactly what you mean, and I agree with you that true friendship does not have conditions. When i was in the process of leaving, that was one of the things they tried using to reel me back in, even being reminded that I'm always welcomed as long as I make the right decision and stay in the org. It really didn't come as a surprise, I was fully aware of the consequences of taking such a decision.

  I view things like you do...I still have love for my former friends and I view them as victims of this cult.

  Nocturne
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  A visit with my mom.....suggestions?

  by desib77 in

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  my hubby and i had my mom over last sat.

  and overall she was pretty good with the exception of the magazines she left at the very end.. now she has called and asked if we can get together, just us, for cokes on friday while i'm in town.

  now, i know that she is going to witness to me and ask me if i love jehovah and tell me that if i do i should obey his commands.......and so on....and i will probably leave her feeling worthless.. i don't want to miss out on spending time with her because i really love my mother....but on the other hand i don't want to leave her depressed.... any suggestions?

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  she says "but I love you and want you to be with me in paradise"...and she looks sad like she is going to cry and then I feel bad for having hurt her and usually I'm the one who starts to cry....

  Yep...that's the same one my mom uses. Always puts me in a bad mood. (((((desib77)))))

  Nocturne

  P.S. If you figure out a way to have a discussion with your mom without religion coming into the conversation and the ensuing guilt trips...please let me know
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  Just As A Matter Of Curiosity..........

  by hillary_step in

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  just as a matter of curiosity i was wondering if any of you know of anybody who has read raymond franz' 'crisis of conscience' and who actually remained a jw?

  i have sent and lent this book to a number of people within the wts, even a co, all of whom left eventually.

  one person remained due to domestic issues, but resigned from all his duties and remains as such.

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  Nocturne

  Should it surprise you? The book is a typical "I'm right and everyone else is wrong" tale. It is very similar to the posts on this forum that ridicule all Witnesses of Jehovah for their faith.

  SOJ,

  isn't that typical witness talk right there? "We have the truth, and everyone else is wrong", sound familiar? Besides, most of the wts' writings ridicule other people and their faiths.
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  The Watchtower guilt machine is indeed a powerful tool

  by Nocturne in

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  i haven't posted as much here as i've wanted these past few weeks, but i've spent most of my time lurking here, or in chat.

  for the last few 2 months roughly, every meeting i attended became extremely painful to endure, such that i would come up with excuses to miss as many as possible.

  but there are 2 events that really gave me a swift kick to wake me up and realize that things had to change.

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  Nocturne

  I do agree with the advice to cuddle your Mum( I am 77- so I love a cuddle- all Mum do.)Tell her Jesus said HE is the WAY,TRUTH,LIFE & you are going to follow him as Jehovah said "LISTEN to my SON!!" The son said "LOVE one another even your enemies."... God bless !!!! Keep your chin up (((HUG)))

  Thanks alot for your your words of encouragement. I really enjoy reading your posts on the forum, and certainly this place wouldn't be the same without you. I will definitely take this advice at heart, and continue to do my best to prevent the guilt layed on me from affecting me.
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  The Watchtower guilt machine is indeed a powerful tool

  by Nocturne in

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  i haven't posted as much here as i've wanted these past few weeks, but i've spent most of my time lurking here, or in chat.

  for the last few 2 months roughly, every meeting i attended became extremely painful to endure, such that i would come up with excuses to miss as many as possible.

  but there are 2 events that really gave me a swift kick to wake me up and realize that things had to change.

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  Nocturne

  carrot-juice,

  First I would like to welcome you to JWD. What a great first post that was, and very encouraging words from your part.

  what you told your mother is exactly what our son said to me over 2 years ago..... right after he came home from nearly 4 years at brooklyn bethel

  I wish I could just print this post you wrote and give it to my mom to read. Especially this part since during the conversation, when she started blaming herself for my decision she said she should have encouraged me to go to bethel. To which I replied, even people who are in bethel end up leaving anyways.

  Congratulations for your family for managing to get out of the borg, and I hope you will be posting more on the forum.

  Nocturne
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  The Watchtower guilt machine is indeed a powerful tool

  by Nocturne in

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  i haven't posted as much here as i've wanted these past few weeks, but i've spent most of my time lurking here, or in chat.

  for the last few 2 months roughly, every meeting i attended became extremely painful to endure, such that i would come up with excuses to miss as many as possible.

  but there are 2 events that really gave me a swift kick to wake me up and realize that things had to change.

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  Nocturne

  M.J...wow, those experiences are dead on!! It is really something to look at these, and it makes you truly realize how similar these two organizations operate, and many more in the world that use the same tactics. Looking at something like this reinforces the fact that I made the right decision.

  Inducing guilt in anybody is NOT a Christian quality - Jesus Christ never did that

  stillajwexelder, that is so true, yet JWs insist that they alone truly follow Jesus Christ's example.
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  The Watchtower guilt machine is indeed a powerful tool

  by Nocturne in

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  i haven't posted as much here as i've wanted these past few weeks, but i've spent most of my time lurking here, or in chat.

  for the last few 2 months roughly, every meeting i attended became extremely painful to endure, such that i would come up with excuses to miss as many as possible.

  but there are 2 events that really gave me a swift kick to wake me up and realize that things had to change.

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  Nocturne

  jst2laws, Steve Lowry, HappyDad, CeriseRose, heianderen, shamus (Wow that's alot of people ) thank you for your comforting words and advice. I will definitely be taking it easy these next few days, and also I will try not to think too much about the past and other things that could stir up negative feelings.

  I can say that today I feel much better, and that I'm getting over that guilt.

  Nocturne
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  The Watchtower guilt machine is indeed a powerful tool

  by Nocturne in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i haven't posted as much here as i've wanted these past few weeks, but i've spent most of my time lurking here, or in chat.

  for the last few 2 months roughly, every meeting i attended became extremely painful to endure, such that i would come up with excuses to miss as many as possible.

  but there are 2 events that really gave me a swift kick to wake me up and realize that things had to change.

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  Nocturne

  Knorr and company really hit the jackpot when instituting(or should i say refining) dfing as the final 'solution,' to keep straying at a minimum.

  May the bastard and his evil cohorts rot forever, for even suggesting this religious judicial system has anything remotely to do with a loving God.

  Danny

  Man...I totally agree with you on that one. The whole dfing process is wrong and evil.

  And Randy,

  That's amazing what you wrote there. And can I also say that I also love your website, and all the information you have in it....keep up the good work