Posts by Fisherman

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Infighting at the top?

by JeffT in

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we've all been trying to decipher what is going on at the top of the watchtower organization.

clearly, the game's afoot, we just don't know what game we're playing.

item: the constant harping about money and donations.

Fisherman

We've all been trying to decipher what is going on at the top of the Watchtower organization.

The era of the charismatic GB is gone. The beloved and respected and awed old timers are no more. It appears that the new generation of leaders at the very top just do not have the same influence over their fellow contemporary subordinates and JW pubs in general as the beloved old timer heavies that are gone once did. And it does not seem that JWS want to gear up for another couple of hundred years of invisible rule and preaching and developing the org. which seems to be the case. It was a very strategical move for JW to sell all the high profile expensive properties ( or risk loosing them ) and lay low upstate.

It is a new era in JW history ( a century+ after 1914 ) and the JW leaders want people to move on from the past and have a new frame of mind but a lot of people wanted the status quo as still do as they wait for the end to realize, and not to move on with all of the implemented changes.There should be disagreement at the very top between the younger anointed leaders and same age and older subordinate non anointed leaders because the awe from such non anointed leaders is not there.

Change is not new with the WT. Lots of changes through out the years. But these new changes are monumental. Changing the music and the meetings also changes the experience of worship one felt and related to. .

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The new service meeting

by John Aquila in

i wanted to relate an experience that happened this morning.

it is regarding the new format for the meeting on thursdays in my area.

its not word for word but im summarizing what i heard, the best i can remember.

Fisherman

It is a longer meeting and announcements are at the end of the meeting. By the end of the meeting people are tired and just want to go home and the excitement one had at the beginning of the meetings to hear news is gone. Announcements were something to look forward to during the meeting. It also served as a a mental break from the program and gave people a little extra energy for the rest of the program.

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I almost died laughing at the meeting last night. OMG WTF is going on? Have I been away this long?

by macys in

ok so most of you guys know already that i am going through the reinstatement process for my parents but i do have a partially sinister plan which i will not mention here since someone told me that there are b-lites that read boards like this.

last night and it was the funniest experience i have ever seen.

besides that the brother doing the sound and video screwed up the whole thing when showing the videos and it took 3 brothers to fix it after 10 minutes, the whole thing was a joke.

Fisherman

re-edit the entire video with a new/substitute actor

It would be easy in the vid if they had to slip in a different voice because the person behind the voice in the vid got df.

On TV when they canned Dick York and slipped in Dick Sergeant (same first name,) they thought that nobody would notice the difference. But they did!

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Half of the cong was dancing last night

by StarTrekAngel in

so went to the meeting last night.

i had not been to one since before the holiday break (3 weeks ago).

besides, it was our first meeting in the new format.

Fisherman

At the gilead grad years ago the mex bros would yelp like indians but the wt stopped it. Not proper conduct at the hall or meetings.

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The new songs!

by stuckinarut2 in

is it just me and my cynical nature now, but are those new songs just so "culty" or what??.

if you haven't herd them yet, go to the office website and listen and read the lyrics.....

Fisherman

Changing the music unlinks a person emotionally from the era. -The way things were in JW before. LIke the music that connects the experience with the ....70's 80s.... gone forever, only a memory remains when you listen to an old song and remember the way it was before. It is different now. JW wants people get detached emotionally and mentally. Thus the change because it has an affect on the thinking and emotions.

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After 17 years, I went to a KH....really shocked!!

by Prometheus in

after severe pressure from my family, i have decided to attend to the nearest kh.

and a little history regarding my self: i became inactive and lost completely contact of the wt changes and "new light" 17 years ago.. everything seemed so odd and strange during the meeting.

latest technology, animated movies, watchtower web tv, a website that you can download everything, including km and wt study articles.

Fisherman

For someone who has been away for so long it looked like it was another religion, The only thing that looked very familiar, and confirmed that I was in WT meeting, was that the End is still near!!!

It is not the same experience one felt before. The music, the program, everything has changed. 2016 to 2017 are very critical years. Things are not the same in the org.

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What would you like to see the Watchtower Society implement that would give you a dignified way to leave/stop being a Jehovah's Witness?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

jehovah's witnesses do not provide a dignified resignation process for members who wish to resign/quit being a jehovah's witnesses.you are not given any good choices.

you can either: disassociate yourself,fade,become inactive or move to another city/state/country where you won't be bothered or found out.. if you quit your job/employment, stop attending a book club or bowling league,or quit a lawn service company, newspaper delivery service,you wouldn't see your employer or friends sending out a written notice to anyone to stop all association with you or have little contact.you would sue them for slander.you have a right to quit any association or contract (when it expires or doesn't meet the terms any longer) whenever you wish.. what would you like to see the watchtower society implement that would give you a dignified way to leave/stop being a jehovah's witness?.

Fisherman

That is never going to happen.

Shunning is less harsh now however. But people fear the disgrace of getting df, the announcement and a df person cannot recover completely from it because it will always be part of his history record if he returns and what he did is also recorded and known. Fear of shunning keeps people in line.

Before becoming a JW, a person needs to decide then because shunning is part of what a person subscribes to when he joins and is a accepted as fellow: You marry the woman, take her home, sleep with her, then later on you change your mind and want to dump her and move on. Now wait a minute, why did you marry her to begin with. Why did you sign a contract before first reading it or why did you agree to its binding terms and now you want to back out of it without the other party having the right to enforce the terms you agreed to when you signed it.

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Should doctors tell JW patients that there is disagreement about Watchtower's blood policy.

by Lee Elder in

this has been a controversial issue among doctors and medical ethicists.

i think it basically comes down to the fact that physicians have a responsibility to establish the presence of informed consent.

is it really possible for a person to give informed consent if they are not accurately informed?.

Fisherman

Fisherman you debunked nothing. Your assertion that you did amounts to a lie.

Numbers 15:30,31

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Should doctors tell JW patients that there is disagreement about Watchtower's blood policy.

by Lee Elder in

this has been a controversial issue among doctors and medical ethicists.

i think it basically comes down to the fact that physicians have a responsibility to establish the presence of informed consent.

is it really possible for a person to give informed consent if they are not accurately informed?.

Fisherman

you admitted that "Sometimes, unbled meat could be eaten"

You take me out of context. And you misrepresent what I stated. Let me elaborate. I also said in the post prior to that one: accidental eating, and I also said provision for restoration in connection with a Jew eating a dead animal. I also referenced the allowed selling of dead animals to non-Jews. I also said to you later on in our discussion that intentional eating of dead animals by an Israelite carried the death penalty. What I meant to say in the specific posts that you are referring to is that there is a difference between eating blood and eating a dead animal that was not slaughtered and bled.That is what I was focusing on in these posts. Sometimes an unbled animal could be eaten. A Jew could sell it to a foreigner and by God allowing the Jew to sell it to the foreigner, God was also allowing the foreigner to eat it. However, at no time can any man eat blood -Jew or foreigner- I referenced Lev 17:10 in the post. That is all that I was trying to say. I also meant to say that a Jew could eat an unbled dead animal sometimes and not incur the death penalty-when it was not intentional- with the provision for restoration that we discussed, the ceremonial washing.

You like to conclude that there is no difference between eating blood and eating an unbled animal and that there is no PENALTY for intentionally violating God's law -only a ceremonial wash.

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Should doctors tell JW patients that there is disagreement about Watchtower's blood policy.

by Lee Elder in

this has been a controversial issue among doctors and medical ethicists.

i think it basically comes down to the fact that physicians have a responsibility to establish the presence of informed consent.

is it really possible for a person to give informed consent if they are not accurately informed?.

Fisherman

the authority here is internal rather than external.....but not an actual command.

"......and from fornication." 1Cor 5:11, Ephesians 5:5 (command)

"abstain" to keep or prevent yourself from doing....

Blood is not a finite act though and neither are "things strangled" or sacrificed to idols. It is understood that you do not ride a dead chicken same as you do not eat boats.

Simply put, to abstain from alcohol means ( Except when a skin doctor wants to use the word abstain in a peculiar way meaning not to apply it.) that you do not consume it. To what degree? A patient should be abstaining from spirits when he drinks a small diluted amount.

We abstain from acts done in connection with objects and those acts are determined by the context.

In reference to the Bible, you need context to understand what abstain from blood means? What do you think the Bible author means? In connection with the related verse, it's ok to put a gallon of blood into your body?

It would seem that the author of the Bible would want the reader to clearly understand what is required of him when he demands compliance from the reader, but the Bible is written in a peculiar way, and at times a word or a verse or more alludes to something more than the context, and the only way to know what it means is to ask the author to elaborate.