Posts by Fisherman

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I have a question.

by DATA-DOG in

according to jwism, god didn't cause suffering, he just allowed it.

wow, that's really, really, dumb.

to help humans out, jeehoobidoob provided the ransom.

Fisherman

wafer GoneAwol

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, it appears to me that you can read between the lines. Luke 16:31

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I have a question.

by DATA-DOG in

according to jwism, god didn't cause suffering, he just allowed it.

wow, that's really, really, dumb.

to help humans out, jeehoobidoob provided the ransom.

Fisherman

Stockholm Syndrome ,Fisherman

Both you and I will see and know when the time comes but in the meantime all you've got is your view and I have mine.

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I have a question.

by DATA-DOG in

according to jwism, god didn't cause suffering, he just allowed it.

wow, that's really, really, dumb.

to help humans out, jeehoobidoob provided the ransom.

Too many things. I am not telling you what to concluded. But I figure that if I feel love, compassion, empathy, kindness, justice,pity, and just as DD said, if I had the power to bring relief relief to every creature, I would so therefore God who made me must also feel the same that I do.

He gave me life and the ability to experience joy and pleasure and comfort and happiness and satisfaction and I figure that I am happy to be alive inspite of the suffering I also experience and see. I reason that just as I want to end all suffering, and the joy that I experience when I help people and and every creature that I can, God feels the same way I do and even more and I trust that he will see to it that justice is done. Other things too, but you can see things the way you see them. I am just telling you how I feel about about God.

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I have a question.

by DATA-DOG in

according to jwism, god didn't cause suffering, he just allowed it.

wow, that's really, really, dumb.

to help humans out, jeehoobidoob provided the ransom.

Fisherman

One more question.DD

If your question(s) are not rhetorical and you truly want correct answers to your questions then you should allow a person that knows to respond to you, not someone that is faking it or someone that is only guessing.

If you woke up tomorrow with "God" powers, what would you do? Would you wait to save everyone? Seriously, what would you wait for? Is proving a point through inaction that causes unimaginable suffering,

The substance of all of your questions can be summed up as: Being Almighty, why does God allow suffering? and you figure that Almighty God should have prevented all UNIMAGINABLE suffering by doing things differently. You also figure that God allows suffering so that he can prove some point important to Him and being the Almighty God that He is, He should have figured something different or better so that no creature would have to suffer so much. (Sounds reasonable, trust me, I know what unimaginable suffering feels like.)

Seems logical to conclude that the Almighty knows all of the options and choices that He has to solve the problem He is tackling besides allowing suffering. Reality is though that He decided to allow human suffering for his good reasons even though our senses cannot understand how any reason could possibly justify suffering.

If the Almighty turns out to be bad, there is nothing we can do to change reality. I am convinced though that he is a loving God. I choose to trust him for better or for worse. In all fairness to Him, He should be allowed the time to answer his side of the issue.

Some of the questions you ask though, DD, challenge reality itself. You seem to be asking: "Why is reality the way it is?", "Why don't we have fins besides lungs so that we don't drown?" Why should foods that are bad for us taste so good and not the other way around?", "Why do we have the God that we have?", Things should be different with a different God" Sound like a rejection of God and his gift of reality. Like someone telling his father that loves him so much; "Dad, why do you have to be my father, I do not want you and I do not want any of your gifts. I want something different." I would feel hurt if that is what my son wanted. But that is something that cannot be changed.

The almighty decided to allow suffering for his good reasons. Lovers of God trust that father knows best.

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What's the point?

by punkofnice in

jw
friends

i mean, i don't want to be miserable or anything, but what's the bloody point of it all?.

since i left the watchtower cult, i have come to realise that god cannot possibly exist...and if a god exists...god is indifferent to humankind as the least.. in 100 years time i'll be gone.

kaput.

Fisherman

people will answer. Steve

No point at all if God does not answer. That was my point

'communicating with God' and 'a horse talking back' has silly written all over it.

"Talking horse" not only alludes to the expression: "from the horse's mouth" but also infers that God talks back! -silly as it may seem to you.

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What's the point?

by punkofnice in

jw
friends

i mean, i don't want to be miserable or anything, but what's the bloody point of it all?.

since i left the watchtower cult, i have come to realise that god cannot possibly exist...and if a god exists...god is indifferent to humankind as the least.. in 100 years time i'll be gone.

kaput.

Fisherman

what's the bloody point of it all?

Saw your photo. You are a likable dude. You should like yourself too.

The point of it all is justice.

As you experience and everyone else too, life is not everything. You have heard expressions like "it is better to die on your feet than live to live your knees, etc. You are not alone in the "suffering the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune.. whips and scorns of the oppressor's wrong.."

Also, mental depression can make things seem worse than they really are.

You need to have the courage to let go and rely on God. You should be able to communicate with God and I do not mean talking to a wall. When you realize that the horse talks back, you will see the point.

Hang on to life, poi.

That is how I see it.

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I have a question.

by DATA-DOG in

according to jwism, god didn't cause suffering, he just allowed it.

wow, that's really, really, dumb.

to help humans out, jeehoobidoob provided the ransom.

Fisherman

If I was God -DD

(You mean if you were Satan)

But Satan is not Jehovah. And that is why God has allowed Satan to prove his case.

'You don't like how I do things, ok do it your way' but don't tell God what you like He should do. He knows.

49

I have a question.

by DATA-DOG in

according to jwism, god didn't cause suffering, he just allowed it.

wow, that's really, really, dumb.

to help humans out, jeehoobidoob provided the ransom.

Fisherman

why couldn't he have used it at the beginning and saved all this suffering?

Better yet (as you see it) all Jehovah had to do was to kill his traitor son at the begining (that no doubt he had loved and entrusted with the future of the human race) - But DD ain't running things, Jehovah is, and He knows how and when and why to use his Holy Spirit. In the meantime, it is like being challenged to play chess, you can shoot and kill or silence or ban your opponent but the challenge would still remain: 'You are no good!' (seems that way now doesn't it? -that God is bad!) until shown otherwise.

You must allow your opponent to prove his case and defeat him at his own game. Killing an opponent "at the beginning" only shows that you are more powerful than he is but does not answer his question or challenge that requires justice.

'You you are no good.' As you see it DD, what would you do better?

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Evolution is a Fact #21 - Footprints in the Sand

by cofty in

back in the pliocene epoch a volcano called sadiman erupted depositing a layer of ash across the landscape.

some time later it rained at laetoli in modern day tanzania turning the ash into wet cement.

birds and animals walked across the cement, then sadiman erupted again sealing the footprints under a second layer of ash.. fast-forward to 1976. a team of paleontologists led by mary leakey are searching for human origins on the serengeti plain when andrew hill ducks out the way of elephant dung being thrown at him by a colleague.

Fisherman

your ignorance

I truly do not think that cofy is ignorant and I did not mean to call him ignorant in my post. I should have worded what I wanted to say a little differently. The rest of what I have posted on this thread speaks for itself.

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Evolution is a Fact #21 - Footprints in the Sand

by cofty in

back in the pliocene epoch a volcano called sadiman erupted depositing a layer of ash across the landscape.

some time later it rained at laetoli in modern day tanzania turning the ash into wet cement.

birds and animals walked across the cement, then sadiman erupted again sealing the footprints under a second layer of ash.. fast-forward to 1976. a team of paleontologists led by mary leakey are searching for human origins on the serengeti plain when andrew hill ducks out the way of elephant dung being thrown at him by a colleague.

Fisherman

Nobody found an elbow

You are not even honest enough to admit your ignorance, you want to cover it up.. There goes your credibility.