Posts by Fisherman

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What was there before the Big Bang?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuhj98vjoa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hik8hj0_t9q.

Fisherman

Pure energy can linger eternally in time and not know it.

Energy is a (physical ) property of an object. If the "void" had some form of energy then the void and the energy that described it always existed, hence, something always existed. And that something cannot be called nothing.

Nothing is very easy to understand. It simply means non existent, no properties, no energy -nothing.

Void is a very deceptive term to use if used to describe non existence. The term void implies something more than non existent, perhaps a condition of emptiness or vacuum.

My guess is that at some point in time nothing existed, no energy, no void,

(By the way great posts!!) -as usual.

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Another generation....

by joey jojo in

it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

Fisherman

I can't see how they could change this. (1914)

I agree. As supported by the last big WT study article citing 3 lines of evidence, etc.. (paragraphs 14, 15,16 of that article)

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What was there before the Big Bang?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuhj98vjoa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hik8hj0_t9q.

Fisherman

Prologos: virtual energy

That would mean that some form of physical substance always existed, in other words, something always existed. I do not believe that. I believe that mass and energy had a beginning. I also believe that before that, nothing existed.

If it was a "singularity" that exploded as the big bang, where did it come from and where did its proscriptive or descriptive properties that define or govern its existence come from? I guess that my guess is as good as anyone's guess.

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Another generation....

by joey jojo in

it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

Fisherman

If they owned up and said "We were WRONG,

The wt has admitted that they were wrong about their expectations and interpretations about "generation" but they stand firm on 1914, parousia, last days, Gentile Times, great tribulation coming soon and survived by the great crowd..

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What was there before the Big Bang?

by Brokeback Watchtower in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuhj98vjoa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hik8hj0_t9q.

Fisherman

What exploded? something or nothing? If something then what is its substance and how long did it exist before the the big bang and what caused it to explode. If nothing then how in the world can nothing explode into something and what caused nothing to become something.

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Another generation....

by joey jojo in

it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.

Fisherman

............Great Crowd (class)......... TD

Brilliant point!

*** it-2 p. 788 Resurrection ***
this would seem to locate the gathering of this group in the last days shortly before that tribulation

Acts 24:15 -The WT teaches that there is going to be resurrection (on earth) of righteous and unrighteous non anointed and non gc (unless they die prematurely). Obviously, these resurrected ones are made up of people living at all points in history (except judgement and execution times) after A&E, and in spite of the heavenly calling after Jesus died.

The gc should not need a resurrection (from old age) because they should live long enough shortly before the gt.

To sum it up, we have:

1975 plus the age of eve (end of the 6000)

1914 -20 + 120 = 2014 (generation)

Daniels's collapsing image

Great Crowd 1935 -20+ 101 = 2016

"The preaching work"

According to WT teaching, everything is converging now.

To JW, whether or not the gt comes within the expected time frame is moot because they have proof from God that trumps everything.

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Generation expiry date?

by pleaseresearch in

how long will it take for a jw to see that even the overlapping generation is wrong?.

the org waited and waited to see if their interpretation of it came true.

those alive in 1914 would still be alive obviously it didn't and jws have to believe in an overlapping generation.

Fisherman

'the Gentile Times' have in no way 'ended'. Kinda obvious to me, so any and all "generation" talk is moot. No need for "new math".

Your guess -but..

Keep in mind that in the Bible the obvious is not so obvious. Luke 17:20; Mathew 24:39

The Gentiles are doing really well

Psalms 110:2; Luke 17:28;30

Plus this whole thing: Luke 21:27-Then they will see the Son of Man arriving in a cloud with power and great glory.

Rev 14:14-16

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Generation expiry date?

by pleaseresearch in

how long will it take for a jw to see that even the overlapping generation is wrong?.

the org waited and waited to see if their interpretation of it came true.

those alive in 1914 would still be alive obviously it didn't and jws have to believe in an overlapping generation.

Fisherman

GT was expected 70 years after 1914 (when you overlap 2 lifes times it is about 100 years) -ok give it 123 years; 2017 expires.

The purpose of Jesus sign was so that his disciple would see it and be ready when he came. In the first century all the apostles were presumed dead except for John or so when 70 CE came but nevertheless the other christians experienced the GT and were ready to flee Jerusalem.

The first batch of 1914 GB generation.are dead. Why would God have those anointed wait for 100 years without some realization?

Anything after 2017 does not add up to me. A generation that dies does not need the sign. Since generation includes 2 overlapping parts, neither part should pass away away and the GT should come within a time frame experienced by both parts not just the second part because generation means both overlappers. THis generation means both parts not just the second overlappers. My guess.

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Bringing children into this System of Things.

by Nihilistic Journey in

before i left a number of years ago i remember getting bombarded with the message that we shouldn't have children as it wasn't fair to them.

they would have to grow as conditions got worse during the end.

is there anything in the literature or was this just through talks.

Fisherman

Hey! God allowed Adam and everybody else after him to bring children into this cruel world and many born in the 80s and 90s are JW and more JW born in 2000s. Should it not be up to God to command whether or not to multiply. (I do not mean add, divide, subtract..)

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Interesting statement regarding "this generation"

by InChristAlone in

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i keep up with allexperts.com, and i noticed an interesting question to "brother rando".

his statement surprised me, and i am wondering if i missed some new light along the way.. question:.

"hello bro rando.

Fisherman

opinions.

My opinion is that if the 1914 "generation" will experience Armaggedon, generation has been stretched to the maximum limit -overlapping or not. 100 years or so maxes out generation. In 2016-2017 the rubber band breaks and if the GT does not happen then generation does not make any sense to me. IT does not make sense to me now but I want to give it a couple of years. Maybe in hind sight things will add up but I cannot figure it out now.

Just my guesses. What do I know. "Interpretations belong to God."