...in other words, the only way for an innocent JW mate is allowed to remarry is if the guilty spouse committed porneia. An "apostate" is believed to put a spouse's spiritual health in danger and thus separation or divorce is not challenged by the congregation but for JW remarrying again (which is what divorce is all about) is only allowed when your spouse commits porneia. The guilty spouse is not allowed to remarry unless the innocent spouse remarries or commits porneia. But if an innocent spouse does not resume sex with guilty spouse after some time, say 60 days for instance, the JC may deem that the innocent spouse does not forgive and remarriage for the guilty spouse might be considerable by the JC, but it depends.
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Just curious - is apostasy grounds for divorce?
by LifesNotOver ini know only adultery is supposed to be grounds for "scriptural" divorce.
i'm a wicked apostate in their eyes, but my believing husband and i still can't get a divorce that would allow him to remarry.
we currently are separated - i have left him.
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Just curious - is apostasy grounds for divorce?
by LifesNotOver ini know only adultery is supposed to be grounds for "scriptural" divorce.
i'm a wicked apostate in their eyes, but my believing husband and i still can't get a divorce that would allow him to remarry.
we currently are separated - i have left him.
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Yes, apostasy is SCRIPTURAL grounds for divorce but only if the spouse also committed porneia.
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New Video Series On Courtship May Open Some Eyes
by JW_Rogue inso the wife was watching the latest installment of jw broadcasting and near the end there was a new segment on dating and courtship.
it starts at about the 39 minute mark:.
https://youtu.be/vuir-azsdm0?t=38m52s.
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ultra-spiritual
That ain't normal. Everyone looks for mate to be able to live with. The female in the vid has different goals than the first guy and would just nag him or would not be happy in the marriage. He wouldn't be happy either.
No one is saying that she is marrying material at all for you (or for me) but there is somebody JW out there that is a match for her. IT is about finding the right person. Just because someone is "spiritual' don't mean it is the right person to marry either.
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Chinese Communist Party to commence nationwide crackdown on Christianity including Jehovah's Witnesses
by jwleaks in8 october 2016. china's governing communist party is set to launch a nationwide crackdown on the christian church.. by matthew carney - abc.
the communist party has just enacted much tougher laws that criminalise christians if they do not pledge loyalty to the state.. chinese president xi jinping has warned that all religions now have to become "chinese" and the new laws will attempt to bring churchgoers and their leaders under party control.. the new laws will put the state firmly in charge, giving the communist party the ability to hire and fire church leaders and change religious doctrine to make it more chinese.... that means churchgoers will have to pledge loyalty to the communist party first.. there is good reason to be afraid.
chinese authorities have already started the crackdown in the christian heartland in the southern province of zhejiang.. it's been extensive and brutal.
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given the choice of life or death
Even under those set of circumstances- which obviously includes given anything less- but, again I still did not say that that is what the CP would do (to give jw life and death choice) but only what JW would do given that choice.
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Chinese Communist Party to commence nationwide crackdown on Christianity including Jehovah's Witnesses
by jwleaks in8 october 2016. china's governing communist party is set to launch a nationwide crackdown on the christian church.. by matthew carney - abc.
the communist party has just enacted much tougher laws that criminalise christians if they do not pledge loyalty to the state.. chinese president xi jinping has warned that all religions now have to become "chinese" and the new laws will attempt to bring churchgoers and their leaders under party control.. the new laws will put the state firmly in charge, giving the communist party the ability to hire and fire church leaders and change religious doctrine to make it more chinese.... that means churchgoers will have to pledge loyalty to the communist party first.. there is good reason to be afraid.
chinese authorities have already started the crackdown in the christian heartland in the southern province of zhejiang.. it's been extensive and brutal.
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This isn't the 1940's anymore fisherman . Finkelstein
I never said or implied that it was.
Call it an act of improbability
Again, I never suggested what the Communist Party in China would probably do to JW.
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New Video Series On Courtship May Open Some Eyes
by JW_Rogue inso the wife was watching the latest installment of jw broadcasting and near the end there was a new segment on dating and courtship.
it starts at about the 39 minute mark:.
https://youtu.be/vuir-azsdm0?t=38m52s.
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Vid is not only about that choosing a spiritual mate is better but that one should choose a mate with same goals in life, in JW case, one that wants full time service- if that is also what you want to do. This vid shows that the first guy was into himself. When a man chooses a woman, she becomes the object of all of his attention (at least prior to the marriage) and he becomes devoted to her bringing her pleasure and joy and giving her all of his attention. The first guy was shown not to be like that. The second guy was shown to be taller (bigger and thus better!) The moral of the story is: do not settle for something that you may not want later on, wait and you could find a better catch -difficult in deed for some jw females to catch any mate at all.
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Chinese Communist Party to commence nationwide crackdown on Christianity including Jehovah's Witnesses
by jwleaks in8 october 2016. china's governing communist party is set to launch a nationwide crackdown on the christian church.. by matthew carney - abc.
the communist party has just enacted much tougher laws that criminalise christians if they do not pledge loyalty to the state.. chinese president xi jinping has warned that all religions now have to become "chinese" and the new laws will attempt to bring churchgoers and their leaders under party control.. the new laws will put the state firmly in charge, giving the communist party the ability to hire and fire church leaders and change religious doctrine to make it more chinese.... that means churchgoers will have to pledge loyalty to the communist party first.. there is good reason to be afraid.
chinese authorities have already started the crackdown in the christian heartland in the southern province of zhejiang.. it's been extensive and brutal.
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Over sensationalizing again Fisherman
Someone sure likes to twist facts and make up pretentiously false statements'given the choice of life or death' -Fisherman
Please," read what I wrote, not your conclusions about what I wrote." --Marvin Shilmer
The worse that would happened to JWS is they would be imprisoned if they didn't honor the communist party/regime. Nothing new or in practical sense a reversion of old political tactics.-Finklestein
How would you know? But, my commentary posted on this thread though, does not guess what the Chinese government will do to JW but only what JW would do given a life and death choice, thus your assertions and opinions about my post on this thread are not correct.
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Chinese Communist Party to commence nationwide crackdown on Christianity including Jehovah's Witnesses
by jwleaks in8 october 2016. china's governing communist party is set to launch a nationwide crackdown on the christian church.. by matthew carney - abc.
the communist party has just enacted much tougher laws that criminalise christians if they do not pledge loyalty to the state.. chinese president xi jinping has warned that all religions now have to become "chinese" and the new laws will attempt to bring churchgoers and their leaders under party control.. the new laws will put the state firmly in charge, giving the communist party the ability to hire and fire church leaders and change religious doctrine to make it more chinese.... that means churchgoers will have to pledge loyalty to the communist party first.. there is good reason to be afraid.
chinese authorities have already started the crackdown in the christian heartland in the southern province of zhejiang.. it's been extensive and brutal.
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Very interesting post JWL. Thank you.
I think that the Chinese gov could take such action if they believe they are at risk of being challenged by the growing number of christian churches and followers --knowing the Chinese. But it would be a very bad move, economically, if they did. It is bad for business because they should expect sanctions and retaliation from Christianized western countries and they don't need that in the way of their monstrous economic growth and power. But then again, those in power would know if they are in danger from the christian masses and would have to take the actions they need in spite of the known consequences to China or be put in a position of loosing power. So, it is very possible that the Chinese government would take such action.
IT is hard to say exactly what Chinese Caesar will require from the churches and according to wt theology, the church is in bed with the wild beast anyway so it won't be so much of a problem for the church to comply unless Caesar goes too far and wants to dictate what pope to elect, for example. But if it comes down to survival, the Chinese gov can expect that the churches will compromise.
REgarding JW in this affair, if it comes down to it, it is probabel that wt will send delegates to China and assure the gov that they do not need to fear JW from challenging their government, but not to expect flag salutes, etc.
I think that Chinese JW are especially courageous and won't compromise, maybe under torture, maybe not ,but given the choice of life or death, there will be a great massacre of jw in china. I can't see wt making flag saluting ok, or military service, or political involvement. UNlike the Jews who have the Republic of Israel with nuclear weapons and many other political powers to help them, jws, in spite of their army of lawyers, are helpless because they don't have any military, they do not fight back or retaliate and they do not have any friends in government, specially because they refer to governments and the UN as beasts --God help them or they are doomed and won't survive as a religion.
Does anyone know how JW are getting around military service and flag saluting in China now?
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What is the purpose of life?
by slimboyfat inwhile reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.
because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".
i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.
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write such drivel
You are not right, cofty. It's about what the rider rode, not what the writer wrote.
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What is the purpose of life?
by slimboyfat inwhile reading the magazines the other day it occurred to me that jws never really had a very good answer to that question.
because it was aimed at young people and it said something along the lines, "if you believe in god you have a purpose, but if you don't believe in god your life has no purpose or meaning".
i think that is a faulty analysis of the situation.
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Writer means: them = garments -not horses
