Posts by Fisherman

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Great Tribulation and Trump

by TakeOffTheCrown in

please, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.

is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.

there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.

Fisherman

I do not, and not without reason, etc...

You do not what? Again, I point out to you, error in your logic.

First of all, read again what I posted: 'Or don't you think that if what the Bible records about remarkable evidence from God in Bible times is true...'

then please do share the results. Will you do that for us?

I did and you wouldn't buy it. You want a "sign" and you are asking the wrong person. But my post is about what I know for a fact versus what I believe, and hopefully you will learn that believing that you know something is fact solely based upon the conclusions of others that you have read in a book, or even testimonial evidence from eyewitnesses is different from knowledge. Such knowledge is what JW proclaim to have - ever read a WT a JW book? The proof (which is what would satisfy you) comes from God not from JW -but you can believe your books and you can believe that JW beliefs are fallacious and you can belief whatever you choose to conclude about the Bible, all the evidence and "results" JW have to "share" - they publish. If you find flaw in it - that is all they have to show... Anyway, I said a lot in my posts. I have to mach schenell my leave on this topic. But in summary, all that I have said is that convincing verifiable proof comes from God -that is it.

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Great Tribulation and Trump

by TakeOffTheCrown in

please, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.

is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.

there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.

Fisherman

if you buy it from me.

I do not buy it, but If you read again what I posted in its entirety and the part that you refer to in its context, you should conclude this time around that you are mistaken about my fact determining methodology which I have shown in my posts on this thread -namely to hit the evidence with a hammer and then to measure it with an instrument. Or don't you think that if what the Bible records about remarkable evidence from God in Bible times is true, that the same God that gave such striking proof could not provide congruent, unequivocal, convincing evidence to anyone that wants it - even right now? I have posted many times before, that JW are not convinced because of what the wt says but have concluded on their own. To JW, it ain't about evidence. It is about relief. JW would not be surprised if they saw angels ascending and descending, or the sea split apart or any other phenomenon you could possibly think of -they don't need it. JW want and need relief and to JW that means vindication of their movement, justice, and the reward promised in the Bible - and that requires a lot faith for JW, that God will keep his word. To JW it ain't about the wt, it is about when will God act, irrespective of how many doctrines the wt tweaks.

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Great Tribulation and Trump

by TakeOffTheCrown in

please, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.

is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.

there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.

Fisherman

then being the honest loving caring person he was, he would have actually pointed to a time frame, and not be vague

Your logic is flawed. If you do not believe me, study logic and compare to how you are forming conclusions -no disrespect intended

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Great Tribulation and Trump

by TakeOffTheCrown in

please, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.

is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.

there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.

Fisherman

@Fisherman. You have just made a huge contradiction here. You need to re-read your submission, in one breath you are saying you believe, then in another you doubt whether this is true?

No, I have not. There is a gap between knowing and believing. Knowing requires some measurement of the evidence or witnessing of an event (you know for a fact) Belief is a conclusion, for example, eyewitness testimony about an event is knowledge versus those hearing the testimony and forming an opinion is belief. The later cannot swear they know such event to be true -only that they believe it is true. If you ever find yourself signing a Deposition or any other sworn statement, you will see the distinction made in the document.

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Great Tribulation and Trump

by TakeOffTheCrown in

please, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.

is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.

there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.

Fisherman

But , with respect to 1914............ is a belief, a conclusion sort of speak.... -Fisherman

The WT has published that in 1914 "the anointed" "saw" "a sign," striking proof, remarkable evidence, that such believe corresponds with" the sign of Christ's presence" - or what turned out to be the beginning of the sign of Christ's presence. There are 2 aspects to this testimony: 1. "The sign" and 2. the conclusion about what the sign means.

I believe that the testimony the anointed gives about the sign is true but I do not know if it is true for a fact because I was not there myself to measure it some way, but, I do know for a fact that wt and JW are backed up by God's Holy Spirit and that is what I am convinced about with certainty.

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Latest from Australian Royal Commission

by gerry in

just received this update.

http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/?u=8e90fa1e64ebb08847cc04916&id=fcec86ae2b&e=0670c7af59.

Fisherman

Although the wt is non-political, they are a huge and powerful organization with millions and millions of supporters globally. IF the wt is found to be doing something improper or wrong by international court standards of what is just and proper, wt will be compelled to change and wt will have to change. There are entities in High, High positions internationally that are investigating the wt child abuse matter objectively and will determine what is just and proper irrespective of what some nation, etc feels wt should do. If these investigations against wt turn out to be a gimmick propagated by wt haters, etc., -it will backfire.

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I guess the latest WT killed any hope of US jws growing beards.

by Crazyguy in

in my area i'd guess 30% of the men maybe more have some kind of beard.

this craps gotta wake up somebody still in!.

Fisherman

So, if beards are not a df offense, what do you think would happen to a jw that came to KH with one?

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Is this another Trump backflip?

by fulltimestudent in

jw
friends

we've seen one backflip.

crooked hillary became a hard-working woman who deserves the nations praise (in his victory speech);.

now according to a uk newspaper:.

Fisherman

It appears to me that DT kicked a lot of people out and replaced them with people of his own liking. The former had been serving themselves with the big spoon, and being now in a position of having to do things someone else's way - they don't like it none. And they want DT out and want someone else in so they can have it their way. Such forces want to push things again their way. If that is the case, such will scrutinize and rebel against every effort DT makes that they do not like. Maybe it will die out and everyone will pull in the same direction -but who knows because change is on the way for sure.

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How to argue with a JW who says the org never said the end in 75

by dogon in

i have argued with several jws who are now being trained to deny the org ever said the end in 75, what is your approach?.

Fisherman

as the appointed F&DS, to stop the brothers from selling their houses,

Anyone at that time reading the literature and listening to the discourses could only conclude that the FDS believed 1975 was the "finish line."

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Is this another Trump backflip?

by fulltimestudent in

jw
friends

we've seen one backflip.

crooked hillary became a hard-working woman who deserves the nations praise (in his victory speech);.

now according to a uk newspaper:.

Fisherman

“he will—maybe unintentionally—break laws.”

Trump's political inexperience is obvious but all he needs to do is to surround himself with experienced politicians that are running the country already - and maybe listen to them, which seems to be the case from his remarks about Obamacare, etc. AS for breaking laws, all people in High Office break laws and get away with it, except when they happen to be an unpopular target -like Trump for instance, I say, give the man a chance. We will see effects soon enough.