Posts by Fisherman

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Great Tribulation and Trump

by TakeOffTheCrown in

please, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.

is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.

there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.

Fisherman

Van, Mathew 24:30 among other verses that entails more than 70.

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Great Tribulation and Trump

by TakeOffTheCrown in

please, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.

is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.

there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.

Fisherman

The great tribulation being a one-time,non-repeatable event in history; a fairly local event affecting the Jews (this people) in and around Jerusalem and ultimately leading to their death or dispersion among the nations.

That is only an erroneous opinion.

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Great Tribulation and Trump

by TakeOffTheCrown in

please, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.

is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.

there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.

Fisherman

As I stated earlier, it just doesn't fit.

And then, Jesus said he would return and every eye would see him, and separation of sheep and goats, etc. All these things did not happen in 70. Although the Bible does record that Jesus predicted the destruction of Jerusalem back then, there is no evidence that the gentile times mentioned in Luke ended in 70 CE. In fact, Jerusalem was trampled by the Roman armies - literally - back then. Everything in the Bible points to a culmination, Judgement Day for all nations, not just the Jews.

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Elders/Ex-Elders: Question about Blood

by JWdaughter in

after many years of objecting to the wt teachings on many levels, blood being one of them, i recently started to wonder (ok, i am slow!

) : what exactly does the wt think that the early non jewish christians were abstaining from in the blood abstention bit.

while i understand the context of the request that the apostle sent to the brothers, i do not understand what jws think they were abstaining from.. meat slaughtered improperly?.

Fisherman

JWs eating any meat from a normal supermarket or butchers are therefore in conflict with the bible's law on blood.- cofty

1 Corinthians 10:25

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Great Tribulation and Trump

by TakeOffTheCrown in

please, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.

is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.

there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.

Fisherman

Are you sure it wouldn't be drivel? Rhetoric

You have relics and sites from around the world that contradict the chronology of the Bible Conclusion Or how else does you explain going from 8 people in 2370 BCE to the Great Pyramid of Giza? Conclusion

How do you reconcile the relics from around Europe, Mexico, Argentina, China, and Australia that are tens of thousands of years old, conclusion some of which are even from the time around, before, and after the flood in places where the Bible's narrative would claim people should not yet be? Conclusion

How do you reconcile our genome and its 98% commonality with chimpanzees? How is this proof that contradicts the Bible.

How do you explain the voluminous fossils of Neanderthals, Flores Dwarves and other hominids? How about the Neanderthal genome? Prove they were not human.

And frankly, how are you not aware of the evidence contradicting the Bible's narrative? How do YOU explain the science of the Bible's narrative? (If you want JW commentary ('reconcile') you know where to look, no point in rehashing jw position on scientific speculation.)

This is all rhetoric and shifting the burden of proof back to me: 'How do you reconcile, etc'

All you need to show is anything verifiable that contradicts the bible. For example, proof such was running around during 2370 BCE? You have not done that.

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Great Tribulation and Trump

by TakeOffTheCrown in

please, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.

is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.

there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.

Fisherman

I do not believe that what the Bible records is necessarily true, I gave my reasons why, and I don't care about the conditional logic in your statement.

Again, isn't the tie breaker proof from God?

You affirmatively asked and therefore proposed that God could provide proof even right now. Are you backtracking such a claim?

He does. I can't show you the proof coming from God, but you will need a ticket to get on the boat.

This is confirmation bias.

No, it isn't because having explained what my posts are about, they are not about proving anything to you.

This is regressive, ignorant, and a wee bit hypocritical if you put faith in the Bible.

Faith, the type described in the Bible, is only possible when based upon convincing evidence. (All of this stuff is in JW print and no point in rehashing everything.)

Problem of Instruction.

drivel

And by way of a reminder, my posts show what convinces me that something is true and not what should convince you. More, or less may be enough to satisfy you.

If you can share verifiable evidence - not arguments, not conclusions, not speculatively based - that contradicts the Bible, I would love to see it.

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Great Tribulation and Trump

by TakeOffTheCrown in

please, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.

is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.

there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.

Fisherman

I do not, and not without reason, etc...

You do not what? Again, I point out to you, error in your logic.

First of all, read again what I posted: 'Or don't you think that if what the Bible records about remarkable evidence from God in Bible times is true...'

then please do share the results. Will you do that for us?

I did and you wouldn't buy it. You want a "sign" and you are asking the wrong person. But my post is about what I know for a fact versus what I believe, and hopefully you will learn that believing that you know something is fact solely based upon the conclusions of others that you have read in a book, or even testimonial evidence from eyewitnesses is different from knowledge. Such knowledge is what JW proclaim to have - ever read a WT a JW book? The proof (which is what would satisfy you) comes from God not from JW -but you can believe your books and you can believe that JW beliefs are fallacious and you can belief whatever you choose to conclude about the Bible, all the evidence and "results" JW have to "share" - they publish. If you find flaw in it - that is all they have to show... Anyway, I said a lot in my posts. I have to mach schenell my leave on this topic. But in summary, all that I have said is that convincing verifiable proof comes from God -that is it.

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Great Tribulation and Trump

by TakeOffTheCrown in

please, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.

is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.

there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.

Fisherman

if you buy it from me.

I do not buy it, but If you read again what I posted in its entirety and the part that you refer to in its context, you should conclude this time around that you are mistaken about my fact determining methodology which I have shown in my posts on this thread -namely to hit the evidence with a hammer and then to measure it with an instrument. Or don't you think that if what the Bible records about remarkable evidence from God in Bible times is true, that the same God that gave such striking proof could not provide congruent, unequivocal, convincing evidence to anyone that wants it - even right now? I have posted many times before, that JW are not convinced because of what the wt says but have concluded on their own. To JW, it ain't about evidence. It is about relief. JW would not be surprised if they saw angels ascending and descending, or the sea split apart or any other phenomenon you could possibly think of -they don't need it. JW want and need relief and to JW that means vindication of their movement, justice, and the reward promised in the Bible - and that requires a lot faith for JW, that God will keep his word. To JW it ain't about the wt, it is about when will God act, irrespective of how many doctrines the wt tweaks.

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Great Tribulation and Trump

by TakeOffTheCrown in

please, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.

is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.

there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.

Fisherman

then being the honest loving caring person he was, he would have actually pointed to a time frame, and not be vague

Your logic is flawed. If you do not believe me, study logic and compare to how you are forming conclusions -no disrespect intended

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Great Tribulation and Trump

by TakeOffTheCrown in

please, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.

is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.

there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.

Fisherman

@Fisherman. You have just made a huge contradiction here. You need to re-read your submission, in one breath you are saying you believe, then in another you doubt whether this is true?

No, I have not. There is a gap between knowing and believing. Knowing requires some measurement of the evidence or witnessing of an event (you know for a fact) Belief is a conclusion, for example, eyewitness testimony about an event is knowledge versus those hearing the testimony and forming an opinion is belief. The later cannot swear they know such event to be true -only that they believe it is true. If you ever find yourself signing a Deposition or any other sworn statement, you will see the distinction made in the document.