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  Great Tribulation and Trump

  by TakeOffTheCrown in

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  please, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.

  is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.

  there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.

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  *.* Schnell

  conclusion
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  Great Tribulation and Trump

  by TakeOffTheCrown in

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  please, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.

  is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.

  there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.

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  Also the Meteor that killed the Dinosaurs for Jehovah. What rubbish!!! witness 007

  We are only trying to understand scripture. Same as one plays chess or any other game. Insulting your opponent or mocking his legal moves or how he plays the game does not invalidate his moves, and neither does calling the game stupid or a waste of time makes the game non-existent --the challenge is still there like trying to solve a puzzle and only after actually putting all of the pieces together can one know if they actually fit, or the pieces don't add up. Killing your opponent in a chess game does not make you a winner of the game either; your opponent's position stands against you forever until defeated governed by the rules of the game. So is the Bible -and wt position for that matter.
  
  
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  Great Tribulation and Trump

  by TakeOffTheCrown in

  1. watchtower
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  please, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.

  is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.

  there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.

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  at the end of time would not require talk of secret presence, but clear to all worldwide.

  Van, can you show this please. I am not interested in cut and paste. Simply explain in your own words with supporting scriptures.
  
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  Great Tribulation and Trump

  by TakeOffTheCrown in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  please, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.

  is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.

  there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.

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  sound interpretation.

  How do you know for a fact? Sounds to me like the Mormons asserting that the KJV is the best (they like it only because Joseph'smyth erroneously quotes from the KJV verbatim in the" Book of Mormon".)

  He warns the disciples that Jerusalem's judgment would not include the parousia (personal return of Christ) secret or otherwise to rescue them. In contrast, His parousia (second personal coming as described in Matthew 24:36 - end) at the end of time would not require talk of secret presence, but clear to all worldwide.

  I don't see that (show), see Mark 13:24 referring to the same tribulation and then 26, (27 compare with Rev 7:1), 30 then 32
  

  Despite the Watchtower's pitiable effort to claim a modern day dual fulfillment of this prophecy, there is no way around the fact that the Matthew 24 GT is an unrepeatable event (Matthew 24: 21 and Luke 21: 24)

  It is true that Jesus' predictions came true in 70 and I believe it is not possible for the same events to happen again in Jerusalem. However, Luke compare 21:25,26,27, with vs 31: "When you see all these things happening.." (all those things having to do with more than Jerusalem did not happen in 70 but Jesus said ALL these things and then vs32: "This generation" Hence, a parallel fulfillment makes sense to me with the parousia.
  

  True Jesus was answering more than one question to his disciples that they probably has misconceptions about ( His parousia seperate from 70) but there is nothing in your interpretation that I can see reconciles ALL elements of related scriptures. AS I see it WT doctrine of Great Tribulation Trumps.
  
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  Elders/Ex-Elders: Question about Blood

  by JWdaughter in

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  after many years of objecting to the wt teachings on many levels, blood being one of them, i recently started to wonder (ok, i am slow!

  ) : what exactly does the wt think that the early non jewish christians were abstaining from in the blood abstention bit.

  while i understand the context of the request that the apostle sent to the brothers, i do not understand what jws think they were abstaining from.. meat slaughtered improperly?.

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  *** w92 10/15 p. 30 Questions From Readers ***

  RE: 1 Co10:25
  

  “Everything that is sold in a meat market keep eating, making no inquiry on account of your conscience”?
  No. Those words at 1 Corinthians 10:25 refer to meat that might have been from an animal sacrificed at an idol temple.
  
  "It would have to be different, however, if those Christians knew that meat from strangled animals (or blood sausage) was one of the choices at local shops. They would need to exercise care in choosing what meat to buy. .... Or Christians might inquire of a reputable butcher or meat merchant. If they had no reason to believe that certain meat contained blood, they could simply buy and eat. Paul also wrote: “Let your reasonableness become known to all men.”..... That could apply to the matter of buying meat. Neither Israel’s Law nor the decree of the first-century Christian governing body indicated that God’s people had to go to great lengths in inquiring about meat, even becoming vegetarians if there was the slightest doubt about blood being in available meat."

  The wt decided back in the 70's that blood used from slaughtered animals, etc was not the responsibility of Christians buying such bled meat. I have not heard of any change.

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  w78 6/15 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***
  "How concerned should a Christian be about blood in food products?
  God said to Noah, and thus to the whole human family: “Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you. . . . Only flesh with its soul—its blood—you must not eat.” (Gen. 9:3, 4) Thus, true worshipers should want to avoid eating meat with blood left in it or other foods to which blood has been added.
  This may call for a degree of care. For example, in some lands animals usually are strangled, or killed in some other way that leaves the blood in them. Where this is the local practice, Christians usually buy only from merchants, butchers or farmers who are known to sell meat from animals that have been bled properly.
  However, federal regulations on the slaughtering of animals in many countries, as for example, in the United States, require that animals be properly bled. Hence, Christians in these areas have little need for concern. They may freely eat meat that is sold in markets or that which is served in restaurants. (Compare 1 Corinthians 10:25, 26, where the reference is to meat that had been offered to idols: “Everything that is sold in a meat market keep eating, making no inquiry on account of your conscience; for ‘to Jehovah belong the earth and that which fills it.’”) However, there may be a need to make inquiry about meat from animals killed locally, such as meat from “wild” animals, whether obtained from a hunter, a butcher shop or a restaurant.
  But what about food products that may contain blood or some blood component, such as plasma protein?
  Some governments require that producers list the ingredients on the label of processed food. Christians who have checked labels over a period of time may have noted that in their area blood is practically never used in foods. Hence, they may rightly have limited their reading of labels only to such times when there is some reason to believe that blood might have been added to an item.
  However, recently the Federal Republic of Germany passed a law allowing meat companies to use, without listing it on a label, up to 2 percent (or, in some cases, 10 percent) dried blood plasma in “wieners, frankfurters and similar products including pâte and roulade . . . meatballs, meat stuffings, fricassee, ragout, meat in lard, . . .” What is the conscientious Christian to do in such cases?
  He could make inquiry of the butcher or the producer. It is reported that in response to such inquiries, some producers in one Scandinavian land readily gave assurance that blood is not an ingredient in their processed meats; they do not want to lose business. But, in some places, Witnesses who inquired of butchers or meat producers were given vague or questionable replies. It may be noted that, even if the law permits companies to add some blood without stating it, this does not necessarily mean that all or even most of them do so.
  Therefore, Christians, individually, must decide what to do. The consciences of some may move them to avoid anything about which they have serious questions or to make such inquiry as is needed to settle their consciences. (Rom. 14:23) In instances where it does not seem possible to get absolute information through reasonable inquiry, other Christians may conclude: ‘Where there is no substantial reason for me to think that blood is present or there is no definite way that I can determine it, I can with a clear conscience “keep eating.”’ They should, however, consider the conscientious feelings of others, even as Paul counseled.—1 Cor. 10:28-30; Rom. 14:13-21.
  True Christians ought not to be indifferent about blood. They should do what they can to avoid a clear violation of God’s law. A deep respect for that law is of central importance. By doing all that they reasonably can to “keep themselves . . . from blood,” God’s people manifest appreciation for the sanctity of life and of the blood representing it.—Acts 21:25."
  
  
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  Great Tribulation and Trump

  by TakeOffTheCrown in

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  please, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.

  is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.

  there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.

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  fairy tale.

  The horrific destruction of Jerusalem and her escapees and its significance is no myth.
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  Great Tribulation and Trump

  by TakeOffTheCrown in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  please, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.

  is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.

  there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.

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  Luke 21:25,26 has nothing to do with the parousia

  The referenced verses have to do with the great tribulation also described by the other Gospel writers and more than Jerusalem is involved.( "...and what will be the sign of your parousia...")

  
  

  Van, Rev 7:9,14 are not referring to tribulation in a general sense applying to Christians throughout the ages, but is the same tribulation predicted in the Olivette, having similarities with 70, as generally taught by wt. (And posting the word tribulation in Greek letters and defining it does not show that the related verses are not referring to the same tribulation mentioned in the Olivette. And neither does posting the commentary source. ) Rev 7:1 is a continuation of Rev 6:17 and starting with verse 12 of Rev chapter 6, is referring to an event, the same event also being told in Rev chapter 7, and not tribulation that you describe in a general sense that you also link with Act 14 and Rev 2. That's how I see it, Van.
  
  
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  Jehovah Witness victims of Childhood Sex Abuse - from the state of New York - and non Jehovah Witness victims, along with all supporters

  by Sol Reform in

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  jehovah witness victims of childhood sex abuse - from the state of new york - and non jehovah witness victims, along with all supporters - you're all invited to a press conference and movie screening in support of statute of limitation reform.. .

  press conference and movie screening in support of statute of limitation reform .

  advocates for reform of ny's too-weak childhood .

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  Great Tribulation and Trump

  by TakeOffTheCrown in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  please, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.

  is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.

  there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.

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  Van compare Rev 7:9 with Rev. 7:14 vis-a- vis with 70. Only a couple of Christians fled in 66, and according to Josephus, also in 66, Jewish merchants also fled in 66 "like rats from a sinking ship" knowing that the Romans would be back. According to Jewish tradition, Rabbi Yochanan Ben Zakai and others came out of the tribulation and reestablished a non Temple based Judaism in Jamnia. None of these guys saw Jesus (every eye will see him) According to the verses I reference from Rev, all survivors from every tribe and nation mentioned in the verses, owe Salvation to Jesus Christ. That did not happen in 70. The surviving "Jamnina" based Jews of 70, owe their salvation to Vespasian - not Jesus- that is what they say.

  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews
  
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  Great Tribulation and Trump

  by TakeOffTheCrown in

  1. watchtower
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  please, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.

  is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.

  there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.

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  Van, why did you plaster the thread with cut and paste? All you need to do is to provide a link or a reference.

  All the commentary you posted is erroneous interpretations having been debunked by wt commentary.

  Luke 21:25,26. More than the destruction of Jerusalem is involved with the paraousia of Christ. Rev1:7