Posts by Fisherman

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Day 2 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Thomas Jefferson Jr takes the stand in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial

by darkspilver in

day two (wednesday 8 february 2017).

see also posts and threads regarding: pre-trial / day one / day one update / day five (last day, settlement).

jefferson: not totally.. zeff: okay.

Fisherman

"victim"

Who's victim? WT liability was not legally established -no verdict.

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Day 2 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Thomas Jefferson Jr takes the stand in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial

by darkspilver in

day two (wednesday 8 february 2017).

see also posts and threads regarding: pre-trial / day one / day one update / day five (last day, settlement).

jefferson: not totally.. zeff: okay.

Fisherman

1.Colorful commentary has no legal merit.

2. No injunction was sought; Plaintiffs only wanted money money.

3. Moot. It is the Court's ruling and findings that is law; case settled without jury's adjudication; Plaintiff's settled for what they only wanted- money..

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Reveal article: Jehovah’s Witnesses settle suit alleging cover-up of child sex abuse

by AndersonsInfo in

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/jehovahs-witnesses-settle-lawsuit-alleging-coverup-of-child-sex-abuse/.

by trey bundy / february 17, 2017 .

the jehovah’s witnesses settled a lawsuit this week brought by a pennsylvania woman who says the religion’s leaders covered up sexual abuse she suffered as a teenager.. the settlement came five days into a trial in which stephanie fessler, a former jehovah’s witness, claimed the religion’s parent corporation violated pennsylvania’s child abuse reporting laws by instructing local leaders – known as elders – not to report her allegations to police.. according to fessler, a middle-aged jehovah’s witness woman, terry monheim, began sexually abusing her when she was 14. at 15, fessler disclosed the abuse to her parents.

Fisherman

RO, you have stated that you are not a wt sympathizer -although legislation that is posted is what it is; either it favors wt or it does not. In all fairness though, unfavorable legislation can also be posted by anyone. Neither do my posts defend the wt. What legislation that you posted says is evidence, what one concludes that it says is interpretation. That is what the Courts are for if one contends with what legislation means.

I have deep respect and compassion for the feeling of all and especially when someone says that they have been hurt. Trust me, I know how it feels.

With that said, what is moral is a matter of opinion, but what is legal is the business of the Courts and not affected by views.

Case in point "Police Brutality" or excessive force is an outrage such as when the police shoots a little boy with a bb gun in the stomach and the Court finds the cop not guilty or the DA does not even wants to file charges and it is also an outrage when police beats and kills someone unarmed, But I have watched video after video after video after video and in almost 100 percent of the time the person hurt or killed is fighting with the police. And the law is the law. Let alone resisting arrest but when you fight with someone who has a gun, like the police, it not wise to fight because he fears that you will take his weapon and shoot him. Touching the police is the same as touching his weapon.

So, in a Court decision it is more important to know what the legislation says more than public opinion about. it.

RO seems to know what he is talking about. I would like to ask him some questions that you will find very interesting about Elders and their liability and wt liability. Any objections and I will not ask and case closed and open to feelings and views.

With all my respect to everyone,

Fisherman

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Reveal article: Jehovah’s Witnesses settle suit alleging cover-up of child sex abuse

by AndersonsInfo in

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/jehovahs-witnesses-settle-lawsuit-alleging-coverup-of-child-sex-abuse/.

by trey bundy / february 17, 2017 .

the jehovah’s witnesses settled a lawsuit this week brought by a pennsylvania woman who says the religion’s leaders covered up sexual abuse she suffered as a teenager.. the settlement came five days into a trial in which stephanie fessler, a former jehovah’s witness, claimed the religion’s parent corporation violated pennsylvania’s child abuse reporting laws by instructing local leaders – known as elders – not to report her allegations to police.. according to fessler, a middle-aged jehovah’s witness woman, terry monheim, began sexually abusing her when she was 14. at 15, fessler disclosed the abuse to her parents.

Fisherman

Law of duty to warn and protect not only applies to wt but to a Catholic priest that hears a confession and does nothing to protect his church or society and also applies to all religions. No legal duty but there is a moral one but moral duty of the church is not secular court subject matter. There is a catch that Conti case brought out and that is even if no legal duty to warn and protect exist, if acted upon to warn and protect , it becomes a legal duty. Law is tricky.

Anyway, Conti ruling applied only to church sponsored activities.

But RO, what do you think or what does legislation show at this time, does Conti ruling subject all wt fs activities to legal duty to warn and protect children even when jw go out in fs on their own or parents give their children to someone else to go out. Under what circumstances is wt liable or is wt always liable when children or adults go out in fs.

For the forum please.

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Reveal article: Jehovah’s Witnesses settle suit alleging cover-up of child sex abuse

by AndersonsInfo in

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/jehovahs-witnesses-settle-lawsuit-alleging-coverup-of-child-sex-abuse/.

by trey bundy / february 17, 2017 .

the jehovah’s witnesses settled a lawsuit this week brought by a pennsylvania woman who says the religion’s leaders covered up sexual abuse she suffered as a teenager.. the settlement came five days into a trial in which stephanie fessler, a former jehovah’s witness, claimed the religion’s parent corporation violated pennsylvania’s child abuse reporting laws by instructing local leaders – known as elders – not to report her allegations to police.. according to fessler, a middle-aged jehovah’s witness woman, terry monheim, began sexually abusing her when she was 14. at 15, fessler disclosed the abuse to her parents.

Fisherman

As example Anderson v Watchtower shows that df'ing is a matter that secular courts cannot intereve

Yes, and some df individuals sue the wt anyway, even after being advised of case law, and wt must answer the summons and complaint - defend - and go to Court if they widh to pursue and that costs both wt and plaintiffs money. But wt has not been found doing anything illegal or held liable by dfing someone.

First, in many states the breaking of the mandatory reporting statutes is a criminal matter and does not rise a civil cause of action. In PA the statute calls for the violation of the mandatory reporting as a misdemeanor with a possible sentence of up to 1 year in prison and/or up to a 1000 dollar fine.

That is correct and had the Defendants violated the statute in the Fessler case, they would have had to answer criminal charges but that was not the case.

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Reveal article: Jehovah’s Witnesses settle suit alleging cover-up of child sex abuse

by AndersonsInfo in

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/jehovahs-witnesses-settle-lawsuit-alleging-coverup-of-child-sex-abuse/.

by trey bundy / february 17, 2017 .

the jehovah’s witnesses settled a lawsuit this week brought by a pennsylvania woman who says the religion’s leaders covered up sexual abuse she suffered as a teenager.. the settlement came five days into a trial in which stephanie fessler, a former jehovah’s witness, claimed the religion’s parent corporation violated pennsylvania’s child abuse reporting laws by instructing local leaders – known as elders – not to report her allegations to police.. according to fessler, a middle-aged jehovah’s witness woman, terry monheim, began sexually abusing her when she was 14. at 15, fessler disclosed the abuse to her parents.

Fisherman

When a city employee commits a wrongful act and that act causes damage to someone, the city is vicariously liable.

But what wrongful act is the wt doing when they are required by US law not disclose confidential communications and wt must comply?

It is the US law that protects confidential communications. And when state law contradicts US law, state law does not invalidate US law.

What does wt have to gain by keeping confidentiality? US law holds wt responsible not to disclose confidential communications.

WT still has a legal duty under US law not to disclose even when state law contradicts US law.

And how is wt covering anything up when confidential communications OF THE CONGREGANT is protected under US law. WT and elders are not gaining anything by the non-disclosure, to the contrary; US law holds wt accountable. WT is not covering up child abuse.

It is US law that covers up the communication- not wt.

I think that covers it except that in the US anybody can sue anyone for anything. And regardless of the validity of the case, all cases must be defended and that costs a lot of money and when the cost of the defense exceeds the damages sought, it is cheaper to settle. Defense costs money win or loose. The person being sued wants to pay the least amount as possible. The person suing wt and their attorneys want money from the wt. That is all they want --money --- and that is all they settle for; they don't care about child abuse confidentiality and the wt but only as it applies to their case in dollars. That is what US case law shows.

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Reveal article: Jehovah’s Witnesses settle suit alleging cover-up of child sex abuse

by AndersonsInfo in

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/jehovahs-witnesses-settle-lawsuit-alleging-coverup-of-child-sex-abuse/.

by trey bundy / february 17, 2017 .

the jehovah’s witnesses settled a lawsuit this week brought by a pennsylvania woman who says the religion’s leaders covered up sexual abuse she suffered as a teenager.. the settlement came five days into a trial in which stephanie fessler, a former jehovah’s witness, claimed the religion’s parent corporation violated pennsylvania’s child abuse reporting laws by instructing local leaders – known as elders – not to report her allegations to police.. according to fessler, a middle-aged jehovah’s witness woman, terry monheim, began sexually abusing her when she was 14. at 15, fessler disclosed the abuse to her parents.

Fisherman

DD, It is true that WT does not have a clergy/Laity as you state.

But, US law considers that certain communications between elders and others in the congregation are confidential and should not be disclosed.

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Reveal article: Jehovah’s Witnesses settle suit alleging cover-up of child sex abuse

by AndersonsInfo in

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/jehovahs-witnesses-settle-lawsuit-alleging-coverup-of-child-sex-abuse/.

by trey bundy / february 17, 2017 .

the jehovah’s witnesses settled a lawsuit this week brought by a pennsylvania woman who says the religion’s leaders covered up sexual abuse she suffered as a teenager.. the settlement came five days into a trial in which stephanie fessler, a former jehovah’s witness, claimed the religion’s parent corporation violated pennsylvania’s child abuse reporting laws by instructing local leaders – known as elders – not to report her allegations to police.. according to fessler, a middle-aged jehovah’s witness woman, terry monheim, began sexually abusing her when she was 14. at 15, fessler disclosed the abuse to her parents.

...they are not what makes the wt uniquely abhorrent.

That's another topic.

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jehovah witness elder molest his daughter ... Lynn Gardner

by jaydee in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boizyklif4q.

Fisherman

"Guilt should be

decided

in advance

without a trial

and the

defense

should not be

heard."