You shouldn't go around lynching everybody as a prophylactic remedy for child abuse. If the church is required to report any accusations or beliefs or suspicions of child abuse, that can also become grounds to require the church to report other criminal conduct by its members as well. Therfore, any protected church communication can be disclosable, not only those of a criminal nature, but also personal information as well including testimony of church elders, in any criminal or civil proceedings.
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2 witness rule
by punkofnice ini'm gobsmacked.. the 7 rock star popes in warwick know darned well that the 2 witness rule allows child rapists to get away with their crime.. geoff (whacko jacko) jackson was at the australian royal commission and should have seen first hand what a vile man made law the 2 witness rule is.. my question is, why do they still insist on this pervert protecting rule?.
i know it's a highly controlling cult but still...........................stuff my old boots, mate!.
the above is more a rhetorical question.
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2 witness rule
by punkofnice ini'm gobsmacked.. the 7 rock star popes in warwick know darned well that the 2 witness rule allows child rapists to get away with their crime.. geoff (whacko jacko) jackson was at the australian royal commission and should have seen first hand what a vile man made law the 2 witness rule is.. my question is, why do they still insist on this pervert protecting rule?.
i know it's a highly controlling cult but still...........................stuff my old boots, mate!.
the above is more a rhetorical question.
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A child who says "I have been abused/raped/touched, etc is the first witness. The second witness may very well be the medical report that the police would pursue if and when they were contacted. The second witness then becomes the physical evidence that the doctor finds. Like ripped anal tissue, vaginal tears, etc. Second witness is forensic evidence that is discovered if and when the child is taken to the police/doctor.
You are trying to pass off your personal beliefs and personal definitions of what is evidience, plaintiff or witness as blanket International requirements that should cover every jurisdiction, fact is they don't, you are confused.In the US, it doesn't take much to have someone investigated for child abuse but you can't go around accusing people of charges. If such accusations turn out to be false, the person making false accusation faces defamation proceedings besides ruining the life and reputation of an innocent person. Who would ever trust someone with a child who was accused of child abuse even if he later was found not guilty in Court? Some people don't care.
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Could the Watchtower lose tax exemption in US?
by Outahere inlooks like trump wants to take out the scientologists.. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-scientology-tax-exemption_us_5a04dd35e4b05673aa584cab?vpo .
as a cult, could the watchtower be close behind?.
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I wouldn't want to visit NYC in that case.
Rofl
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Could the Watchtower lose tax exemption in US?
by Outahere inlooks like trump wants to take out the scientologists.. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-scientology-tax-exemption_us_5a04dd35e4b05673aa584cab?vpo .
as a cult, could the watchtower be close behind?.
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There is a population in NYC of 8.5 million people, there are aprox 8.3 million!! JWs and growing and about 10.5 million people study the bible with JW. That's a lot of JW! Imagine taking a trip to NYC and everyone that you saw and spoke to is JW there, everywhere. There are about 3 million JW in the US (knocking on every door they see).
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2 witness rule
by punkofnice ini'm gobsmacked.. the 7 rock star popes in warwick know darned well that the 2 witness rule allows child rapists to get away with their crime.. geoff (whacko jacko) jackson was at the australian royal commission and should have seen first hand what a vile man made law the 2 witness rule is.. my question is, why do they still insist on this pervert protecting rule?.
i know it's a highly controlling cult but still...........................stuff my old boots, mate!.
the above is more a rhetorical question.
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Fisherman
Now that's a bizarre thing to say. Nobody said or implied child abusers shouldn't join churches.
How is it bizzare and I never said that anyone said that child abusers shouldn't join churches. Again, if you could only read, in the Conti case it was established at the trial that it was known to competent authorities that Kendricks abused a minor before he abused Candace. Had he not been allowed by statute to join a church, he could not have had access to Candace, but instead, the authorities unleashed the perpetrator without warning upon society expecting the church to do their police work for them, the church not being legally required to do so.
Disclaimer: Kendricks was never criminally convicted beyond reasonable doubt of abusing Candace and maintains his innocence.
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Is There a TV Show or Movie That You Just NeverGet Sick Of?
by minimus ini love the rifleman!
i’ve seen it a million times and still will watch it !
and goodfellas, the movie as well as the sopranos.
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Once upon a time in the west
The good the bad and the ugly
Pasqualino Seven Beauties
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Watchtower Loses an Appeal
by TerryWalstrom inpublication court of appeal, fourth appellate district division one state of california osbaldo padron, plaintiff and respondent, v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc., defendant and appellant.findingwatchtower has abused the discovery process.
it has zealously advocated its position and lost multiple times.
yet, it cavalierly refuses to acknowledge the consequences of these losses and the validity of the court's orders requiring it to produce documents in response to request number 12. and, in a further act of defiance, watchtower informed the court that it would not comply with the march 25, 2016 order 39 requiring it to produce documents responsive to request number 12. the court, following lopez, supra, 246 cal.app.4th 566, as an incremental step toward terminating sanctions if watchtower persists in its unjustified conduct, imposed monetary sanctions.
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Per the courts orders: Only Zalkin and staff are allowed to view these documents.
It doesn't matter. The existence of such files are verified, the files are soepenable, church privacy is defeated, wt is now losing cases in the Courts.
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Watchtower Loses an Appeal
by TerryWalstrom inpublication court of appeal, fourth appellate district division one state of california osbaldo padron, plaintiff and respondent, v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc., defendant and appellant.findingwatchtower has abused the discovery process.
it has zealously advocated its position and lost multiple times.
yet, it cavalierly refuses to acknowledge the consequences of these losses and the validity of the court's orders requiring it to produce documents in response to request number 12. and, in a further act of defiance, watchtower informed the court that it would not comply with the march 25, 2016 order 39 requiring it to produce documents responsive to request number 12. the court, following lopez, supra, 246 cal.app.4th 566, as an incremental step toward terminating sanctions if watchtower persists in its unjustified conduct, imposed monetary sanctions.
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Great wording, as it aligns with Romans 13:1, which Watchtower claims to abide by.
There was litigation going on which sought to determine how and if US Constitution and other Federal laws right to church privacy applies to this Court Order which will result in disclosure of protected information to some extent. There are US laws that protect information from being disclosed, wt just can't ignore those laws either. Besides that, suppose those persons affected by the Court order sued wt for disclosing their information without their authorization. In all fairness you have to take all these factors into consideration. Also, it is not about protecting child molestors or defeating wt but doing what is just and proper and good.
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Is There a TV Show or Movie That You Just NeverGet Sick Of?
by minimus ini love the rifleman!
i’ve seen it a million times and still will watch it !
and goodfellas, the movie as well as the sopranos.
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Fisherman
One flew over the Cukoos nest. One of the greatest movies ever made.
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Watchtower Loses an Appeal
by TerryWalstrom inpublication court of appeal, fourth appellate district division one state of california osbaldo padron, plaintiff and respondent, v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc., defendant and appellant.findingwatchtower has abused the discovery process.
it has zealously advocated its position and lost multiple times.
yet, it cavalierly refuses to acknowledge the consequences of these losses and the validity of the court's orders requiring it to produce documents in response to request number 12. and, in a further act of defiance, watchtower informed the court that it would not comply with the march 25, 2016 order 39 requiring it to produce documents responsive to request number 12. the court, following lopez, supra, 246 cal.app.4th 566, as an incremental step toward terminating sanctions if watchtower persists in its unjustified conduct, imposed monetary sanctions.
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The names of perpetrators are not to be redacted. However, all of the information is subject to a court-ordered protective order and cannot be made public at this time
There should be some worried people out there who's names are in those files. There goes confidentiality for child molestors if they see those files and now who is next when a Court orders to see anybody's file if wt has a record on anyone. It could be yours.