Posts by Fisherman

Anyone with a little common sense can figure out that someone that gets a ticket for disorderly conduct faces different legal consequences than someone who commits armed robbery. They are both crimes though and criminal procedure is exactly the same. Child abuse is also a crime and treated just the same as any other crime. There is no special category for child abuse, it is in the same Penal Code with all the other crimes and classified as a Felony with all the other Felonies of the same rank. There is no difference.

Therefore, If a litigant can Supeona private church communications about child abuse to help his civil case, there is nothing special about that crime to somebody else that also wants church privacy files disclosed to help his case about non-child abuse, such as a prosecutor, a victim of a crime, the Federal government going after someone for tax fraud, etc. Sure children should have special protection, but victims of other crimes are entitled to nothing less in getting the same justice and so should other litigants in other civil cases getting the same money and society should also be protected from criminal conduct, not only child abuse but from other crimes too. So, not saying that children should not have special protection, they should, but also others should be entitled to the same justice. --They should be treated the same.

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why won't legal department simply release all the secret pedophile files?

by poopie in

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what do you think there hiding?.

Fisherman

All crimes are not treated the same and the law absolutely makes distinctions between children and adults.

No kidding?!!!
Hmmm. Isn't that what the Penal Code is about?

In the Penal Code below, drug possession and child predation carry the same penalty.

A-II Felony

Offense	Code
Criminal possession of a controlled substance in the second degree	220.18
Criminal sale of a controlled substance in the second degree	220.41
Criminal use of a chemical weapon or biological weapon in the second degree	490.50
Predatory sexual assault	130.95
Predatory sexual assault against a child

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why won't legal department simply release all the secret pedophile files?

by poopie in

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friends

what do you think there hiding?.

Fisherman

All you care about is yourself, Finkelstein. You'd hand over any child on a platter to a pedophile personally, just as long as you could get back at Watchtower somehow. That is all you want here.

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why won't legal department simply release all the secret pedophile files?

by poopie in

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what do you think there hiding?.

Fisherman

crimes against children are indeed very different than other offense you listed.

We know all about that, no kidding. No need to explain what is axiomatic. But the Courts treat all crimes just the same: Felony, Misdemeanor, Violation. Could be Child abuse or Drug trafficking or another offense. Punishment is the same too: Jail. My point that you fail to see is that if church privacy on child abuse communications is defeated, then logically, all confidentiality falls apart. Also, as despicable as child sexual abuse is, other crimes are just as despicable too, to the victim, and should get no special treatment, less that how child abuse is treated by the church and by the Courts. You may feel that murder, drug trafficking, robbery, Fraud, etc.,should be held confidential by the church but victims of those crimes disagree and want the same justice applied to them too.

Why should a lawyer be able to keep child abuse communications with his client private and defend a guilty client only to have him set a child abuser free upon society, on the other hand, a child abuser cannot go to a minister for spiritual help without having to report him to the authorities. In both instances, a guilty child abuser goes free.

Understood that children need to be protected specially, you are not enlightening me, but as I have posted many times, as it relates to the church, that requires new Federal legislation unified across state lines, same as abortion is legal all over the US, no conflict of laws; if someone even looks like an abuser, the church must report him. And that's that. No more legal excuses. Now, not as it relates to the church, but child sexual abuse as a problem in society, is here to stay and will only get worse. Nothing can be done about incest and nothing can be done about incompetent or very trusting parents handing over their precious kids to wolves. And nothing legally can be done to get pedophiles to stop having sexual feeling towards children until they catch one. Parents need to protect their kids and if a child is born to sick or abusive parents he is out of luck.

Also, is legislation protecting kids when a 14yo or younger can marry someone who is thirty or 69? Where is the outrage?

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why won't legal department simply release all the secret pedophile files?

by poopie in

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friends

what do you think there hiding?.

Fisherman

Hopefully the governments will institute a enforced law that states all religious institutions and other secular organizations/Clubs must report all possible incidents of pedophilia that occur within their organizations and if they dont, jail sentences and large fines will be implemented.

Should it not also apply to lawyers too? If a child abuser goes free he endangers society, no? And what about when an innocent person goes to jail for child abuse, why shouldn't the judge, prosecutors, each juror, witnesses, a parent lying to get custody, et al, also be punished, instead of having laws that protect them?

And why are crimes against children any different than other crimes? Someone who cheats on his taxes, steals, drugs (buys is sells) has an adulterous relationship ( sometimes that is a crime) or commits any other crime. Why shouldn't it be mandatory for the church to report all crimes to the police and all members' files and communications to be soepoenable same as doctor files, pharmacy files, shrink files, pedo files, in any legal proceeding. Is it fair to someone that has been harmed or continues to be harmed from criminal conduct and the church knows about it and that information is protected while on the other hand child abuse information is not protected? Also, why shouldn't law enforcement not be able to go to your house unexpectedly, based on a hunch or on any accusation, and search and investigate you and install monitoring devices on your phone and in your house without needing a Court order, as a prophylaxis, to keep society safe and to get evidence against you just in case you are guilty?

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why won't legal department simply release all the secret pedophile files?

by poopie in

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friends

what do you think there hiding?.

Fisherman

Also, disclosure of the documents crosses state lines involving privacy laws of other states which could be violated, and, the information goes back in time, decades in the past, when present privacy laws did not apply. So, is a blanket State Court order covering every state, and time periods not governed by present laws, legal?

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Convention “Highlights” - bwhahaha!

by Muddy Waters in

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taking a walk down memory lane at those looooonnnnngg, tedious conventions... .

(boy, they weren’t kidding when they spoke about being long-suffering and having endurance!).

but what were some of your convention highlights, or lowlights, from back in the day?.

Fisherman

Remember how there was always someone sitting nearby and you couldn't help but notice that almost their entire Bible was highlighted in yellow?

I remember that! I also saw different ones in the KH and at assemblies highlighting verses as scriptures were read so I figured, when I saw pages and pages of the Bible highlighted that that person had read those verses or studied them.

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question of the day does a religious org have the right to hold confidential info on one of its members

by poopie in

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without there permission ?.

Fisherman

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