now, many years later, i remember the 1995 generation change, very well.. since early youth, hearing my father explaining in field service the 2520 years.
it was his main theme in the field.. with the change my doubts started.
with some jw friends we did not trust the organization anymore.
Waton you seem to be missing the point. Based on the latest understanding of how some parts of prophecy might not have a greater fulfillment, this could apply to 1914 generation fulfillment.
How long a generation is, is the only issue here because regardless of identity, Last Days shouldn’t reasonably last hundreds of years.
now, many years later, i remember the 1995 generation change, very well.. since early youth, hearing my father explaining in field service the 2520 years.
it was his main theme in the field.. with the change my doubts started.
with some jw friends we did not trust the organization anymore.
Waton
“wt's current doctrine does not match Jesus' words.”
That’s just interpretation of Jesus’ word. Maybe WT is right or maybe they will need to change the interpretation. For example, recently WT changed how they interpret prophecy, subtly explaining it in a WT article. According to the article if I recall, not all prophecy has a greater fulfillment, further (and this can subtly affect the interpretation of the Olivette) not all parts of prophecy may have a greater fulfillment. Therefore, using this method as a standard, generation might only apply in 70CE and not in 1914–or maybe it does.
I agree that length of generation is typically 80 years( and wt always had believed this).
But Jesus was very ironic in applying the Bible and what he said and taught was not always clear “cause and effect”, so it is possible that generation he used in the prophecy could have an ironic length or meaning. Take for example his words describing the generation “ by no MEANS pass away” also his words, “ my words will not pass away”. Why would he say that unless he wanted to guarantee the certainty of the prophecy. Given that generation part of the Olivette applies to 1914, at this time JW erasing words in a crossword puzzle written in pencil and plugging in another another interpretation of length of generation or meaning of generation. Safe to conclude that at this time JW don’t know what Jesus meant by generation.
now, many years later, i remember the 1995 generation change, very well.. since early youth, hearing my father explaining in field service the 2520 years.
it was his main theme in the field.. with the change my doubts started.
with some jw friends we did not trust the organization anymore.
TD, I think Slim nailed it. Back in 1935 WT believed that the “other sheep” (Christians with an earthly hope)would also make up the Great Crowd that would survive into the Millennium because it was believed that the end would come in their lifetime. Since the GC is made up of OS, they don’t stop being OS because they are GC. In fact, WT refers to them as GC of OS. Obviously, the millions that died of old age and other causes believing they would live into the Millennium were not part of the GC to begin with since being part of the GC described in Revelation means surviving into the new order. — So if you make it into the Millennium a person is of the GC if the JW dies beforehand, he is OS.
so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
Our life is really about learning and experiencing. That is what we do.
Including the observation of mechanisms and systems that already exist in the universe, that evolutionists separate from having any agent.
i mentioned this to the two ladies who came by yesterday.
they indicated to me through bible readings (like 2 timothy 3 and another) that jw's are not what are called "christian zionists.
" is this true because if it is not (that jw's actually do support israel), i want no part of the jehovah's witnesses.
The Republic of Israel like every other country and nation on earth exists (except JW) based upon and depending on, military force, nuclear weapons, military bases, political alliances, and the like.
so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
That we have very complex abilities within our minds
Making the human brain (mind) the most powerful known thing in the universe. --Imagine that!
so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.
i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.
i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.
sub-systems
Ay, there is the rub! - And don't forget to not to equate speculative science ( such as "the religion of evolution" for example) with empirical science which requires zero faith, proponents or advocates with an agenda.
l have researched this subject and come to the conclusion that no we didn't.what do others think?.
marked
if you see someone about to be struck by a car or otherwise step into harms way but choose not to call out a warning or act in some way to prevent disaster, are you responsible for any harm caused?.
what defence, if any, can be offered for choosing inaction?
.
Your speaking on behalf of the god of the bible????
No.
if you see someone about to be struck by a car or otherwise step into harms way but choose not to call out a warning or act in some way to prevent disaster, are you responsible for any harm caused?.
what defence, if any, can be offered for choosing inaction?
.
Yes, I am better than god.
If God exists, he must be greater than you morally. An inferior being is not God.
I'll put my morality up against god's any day of the week.
"Have it your way then." --God of the Bible
