NBD
How does criticizing an argument debunk it?
But first of all, are you saying that the door is open for everybody to go to heaven according to your Bible interpretation?
Fisherman
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Who are the 144,000? Considering the immediate context of Revelation chapter 7
by raymond frantz inwho are the 144,000?
a critical examination of the teaching of the 144,000 from the perspective of an ex jx considering context and other references .this is from a series of videos called new light where i scrutinise all the major teachings of the watchtower.. https://youtu.be/aaseuzr-sxs.
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Who are the 144,000? Considering the immediate context of Revelation chapter 7
by raymond frantz inwho are the 144,000?
a critical examination of the teaching of the 144,000 from the perspective of an ex jx considering context and other references .this is from a series of videos called new light where i scrutinise all the major teachings of the watchtower.. https://youtu.be/aaseuzr-sxs.
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Fisherman
Why select that number to be literal when all around it are considered symbolic?
Regardless. It is a finite number. Not everybody goes to heaven.
How could you represent a finite number symbolically instead of simply revealing the number. Number is also a fraction of the vast majority, etc.
144k = 1M? 144M? 12? unknown?
Also, the number or people is predetermined not so with those on earth, the door is open for everybody.
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Who are the 144,000? Considering the immediate context of Revelation chapter 7
by raymond frantz inwho are the 144,000?
a critical examination of the teaching of the 144,000 from the perspective of an ex jx considering context and other references .this is from a series of videos called new light where i scrutinise all the major teachings of the watchtower.. https://youtu.be/aaseuzr-sxs.
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Fisherman
How do your make sense out of religious people's fantasies?
The subject I am commenting on is the interpretation of what the Bible is saying, not validating whether or not what the Bible says is true.That is a different subject.
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Who are the 144,000? Considering the immediate context of Revelation chapter 7
by raymond frantz inwho are the 144,000?
a critical examination of the teaching of the 144,000 from the perspective of an ex jx considering context and other references .this is from a series of videos called new light where i scrutinise all the major teachings of the watchtower.. https://youtu.be/aaseuzr-sxs.
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Fisherman
Again, there's just no basis for saying this other than assertions from you, JWs, some others.
Not an assertion. There is a basis, as you have probably read wt commentary and scriptural basis with argumentation in support of the belief.
Relating to the literary device Paul used referring to a heavenly Jerusalem as having real foundations, etc., one shouldn’t conclude too much other than these spiritual men saw something better from God other than the temporary enjoyment of sin.
But if you read carefully my previous commentaries that you are kindly responding to, all I meant to say is that it makes sense to me that some people will live ultimately on earth as wt teaches about God’s Eternal Purpose, and some people will go to heaven to reign with Chirst.
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Who are the 144,000? Considering the immediate context of Revelation chapter 7
by raymond frantz inwho are the 144,000?
a critical examination of the teaching of the 144,000 from the perspective of an ex jx considering context and other references .this is from a series of videos called new light where i scrutinise all the major teachings of the watchtower.. https://youtu.be/aaseuzr-sxs.
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Fisherman
NBD
First of all, it is a conclusion. However, in Jesus’s illustration Abe represented God in heaven—doesn’t mean that he will go there. Also, everybody waits for the city having real foundation, a new earthly society with the Messianic government—doesn’t mean you will go to heaven either.
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Who are the 144,000? Considering the immediate context of Revelation chapter 7
by raymond frantz inwho are the 144,000?
a critical examination of the teaching of the 144,000 from the perspective of an ex jx considering context and other references .this is from a series of videos called new light where i scrutinise all the major teachings of the watchtower.. https://youtu.be/aaseuzr-sxs.
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Fisherman
They must have christlike self control to be like him, male virgins as per Rev 14.
—Or at least they try. Not everyone is capable of achieving exemplary moral excellence. —Is it choice or genetics? Therefore, it is God in his mercy that chooses not based on works or excellence.
Not Job or Daniel or Abraham or Noah or any of the righteous or the ones the promises were given to goes to heaven but those that were born at the right time along with their good desire to seek God.
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Who are the 144,000? Considering the immediate context of Revelation chapter 7
by raymond frantz inwho are the 144,000?
a critical examination of the teaching of the 144,000 from the perspective of an ex jx considering context and other references .this is from a series of videos called new light where i scrutinise all the major teachings of the watchtower.. https://youtu.be/aaseuzr-sxs.
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Fisherman
I think WT interpretation that there are 2 classes of people, one going to heaven and the other resurrected on earth makes sense. What is the point of God creating people to begin with, did he just give up that plan? Obviously, Jesus’s apostles go to heaven; who else in fact goes to heaven, we will find out when the time comes.
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Where will the war in Ukraine lead to?
by Kosonen inthere has been comments in the news recently that the war in ukraine could be the beginning to the world war three.. i would not be surprised if it is.
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the bible says a time will come when the peace will be taken from the earth.. revelation 6:4 another came out, a fiery-colored horse, and it was granted to the one seated on it to take peace away from the earth so that they should slaughter one another, and he was given a great sword.. have you heard what possibly this war in ukraine could lead to?.
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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only
by Marbles ini was never a jdubb, only a bible student.
there are two main questions i have.
let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.
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Fisherman
Christians acquired Jewish scripture to begin with
To begin with, Paul and other Jews that became Christians had access to the OT text in scrolls at the time.
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Blood Transfusions & Flood, Questions from Bible student only
by Marbles ini was never a jdubb, only a bible student.
there are two main questions i have.
let me preface that by saying that i do not believe the bible is true, or the word of god.
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Fisherman
why you have not speculated
It is a fact that the Romans plundered the 2nd Temple aka Herod’s Temple. The arch of Titus proves it. Jesus said of the Jews: “The kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a goy producing its fruits.” Assuming this is true, God took the OT away from the Jews and gave it to Christians —I’m just speculating or guessing.