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  How far do we get away from 1914

  by PimoElder in

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  how far do we get away from 1914 before they have a new light and admit it was all wrong?.

  they cling to the old theory of the 77 week prophecy from the wrong date that jerusalem was destroyed .

  with the overlapping generations nonsense still we are getting too far away from 1914. what will they say if we get to the 2030s and they still cling to 1914?.

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  What matters is not the beginning of the Great War.

  WT had always taught that WWI started in Oct 1914 but now it doesn’t matter to you.

  What ozzie brought up is that wwi started before the gentile times ended not after and he was also alluding to wt teaching that the war began in october corresponding with and evidence of the end of the Gentile Times according to wt teaching but now it doesn’t matter. It does mattter because that is wt taught. I think it is also interesting that wt has parsed gentile times, one aspect of it, the ousting of satan occuring circa 1914 or maybe the guess is that gentile times and the ousting of satan are 2 seperate events occuring years or months apart about the year 1914. However, 1914 is derived from the times algorithm and does not depend on any evidence or world wars to verify it. Old timers back then witnessed the sign of Christ presence aka composite sign so they were mentally convinced even though nothing happened in terms of Armageddon and here we are 108 years later. It is logical to conclude that since Jesus is king of the Messianic kingdom and since the purpose of the Messianic kingdom is to take action and make changes on earth, that it shouldn’t take so long for that to happen. Therefore, the author of this threat and others are saying what they are about 1914.
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  How far do we get away from 1914

  by PimoElder in

  1. watchtower
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  how far do we get away from 1914 before they have a new light and admit it was all wrong?.

  they cling to the old theory of the 77 week prophecy from the wrong date that jerusalem was destroyed .

  with the overlapping generations nonsense still we are getting too far away from 1914. what will they say if we get to the 2030s and they still cling to 1914?.

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  Fisherman

  All history books give July as the start date. What more is needed?

  However, according to JW understanding of Bible prophecy, Gentile Times ended on Oct 1 1914, and JW say WWI is evidence of that whether or not historical books say WWI started on another month. At what point in time could it officially be said that WWI actually started or what standard should be used or what is the criteria is arguable —and could be in Oct depending on the standard. Albeit-any other month believed to be start of the war, according to JWinterpretation of the prophecy Gentile Times end in October 1914.
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  How far do we get away from 1914

  by PimoElder in

  1. watchtower
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  how far do we get away from 1914 before they have a new light and admit it was all wrong?.

  they cling to the old theory of the 77 week prophecy from the wrong date that jerusalem was destroyed .

  with the overlapping generations nonsense still we are getting too far away from 1914. what will they say if we get to the 2030s and they still cling to 1914?.

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  Fisherman

  WT publications used the expression' Gentile Times' No big deal

  You keep going off into tangents.

  My point from the very beginning is that the Study Bible had a reference not too long ago using the term “circa1914” and not 1914. Now, you can't find that reference anymore and the term Gentile Times has been changed to Appointment Times of the Nations in the latest NWT Bible translation. Obviously, Appointed Times or Gentile Times are referring to the same event no matter what you call it. I was just pointing out that your used of the word “fact” to describe 1914 vis-à-vis WT use of the word “circa” and then the article being taken down.

  The B1 Appendix you reference explains that “about 1914” refers to the ousting of Satan and the Insight Book explains that 1914 is the end of the Gentile Times. So nothing seems to have changed about our beliefs 1914 except maybe the time for tte ousting of Satan. The insight book uses the term historical fact referring to our 1880 WT article predicting 1914 not to be confused with 1914 the end of Gentile Times being a historical fact. I am probably wrong about what I concluded when reading the circa 1914 commentary in the Study Bible but I would like to see the article again a read it again. Based on our understanding of Bible chronology, 4026 in the creation of Adam, 1975 is 6000 years later and 1914 is the end of the Gentile Times that Jesus alluded to in Luke. The premise we use is interpretation of Bible chronology and the year 607 as the exact date of tge destruction of Jerusalem. The extrapolation of 1914 is derived from that.
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  How far do we get away from 1914

  by PimoElder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how far do we get away from 1914 before they have a new light and admit it was all wrong?.

  they cling to the old theory of the 77 week prophecy from the wrong date that jerusalem was destroyed .

  with the overlapping generations nonsense still we are getting too far away from 1914. what will they say if we get to the 2030s and they still cling to 1914?.

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  False. The reference in the Study Bible is featured in the 'Appendix B1'-

  You are being dishonest. That has nothing to do with the “circa” 1914 Gentile Times explanation that I referenced and you replied to.

  We most certainly do continue to use the expression 'appointed times' or as the venerable King Fames Bible renders the expression 'Gentile Times'.

  You are being dishonest again. Both the NWT, the Insight and other publications now use the term: Appointed Times of the Nations instead of Gentile Times. When you input Gentile Times in the search index, you are also directed to Appointed Times of the Nations. If you search for the word circa, can’t find it anymore.

  So getting back to your original explanation about circa 1914 only referring to the ousting of Satan. I am not saying that you are wrong about it. I want you to show the commentary in in the Study Bible to validate what you say. I can’t find it anymore so maybe if your explanation was true, it may be false now. What does the return of Christ mean now. Does he return circa 1914 or when he comes to separate sheep and goats. We are convinced that God kingdom rules, etc. I am just saying that even if 1914 is not the exact date, it would mot invalidate all the other convincing evidence about JW. Maybe 1914 is the exact date which seems to be the case. O believe that it is but I would like to read the commentary about circa you and I both referenced. There is a difference between measuring something with a validated standard or guessing. What do you think?
  
  
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  How far do we get away from 1914

  by PimoElder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how far do we get away from 1914 before they have a new light and admit it was all wrong?.

  they cling to the old theory of the 77 week prophecy from the wrong date that jerusalem was destroyed .

  with the overlapping generations nonsense still we are getting too far away from 1914. what will they say if we get to the 2030s and they still cling to 1914?.

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  Fisherman

  Incorrect

  Actually, I cannot find the explanation anymore in the study bible to either validate what I said or refute what you say. We don’t even use the term Gentile Times anymore. Can you show proof by showing or quoting the explanation I referenced from the Study Bible?

  Also, since 1914 is based on interpretation why should it be considered as fact? Interpretation is subject to error. Can you show where JW refers to the year 1914 as fact? JW are convinced that 1914 is the year when JC began ruling as king from the heavens, etc. —Convinced too about a lot of other things too we no longer believe. But the faith of JW does not depend on the validity of interpretations or dates. Our faith is based on proof, his holy spirit.
  
  
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  How far do we get away from 1914

  by PimoElder in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how far do we get away from 1914 before they have a new light and admit it was all wrong?.

  they cling to the old theory of the 77 week prophecy from the wrong date that jerusalem was destroyed .

  with the overlapping generations nonsense still we are getting too far away from 1914. what will they say if we get to the 2030s and they still cling to 1914?.

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  Fisherman

  The date 1914 is securely based on the fact that Jerusalem was destroyed in 607

  We JW believe it is a fact based on interpretation of archeology and Bible chronology. Also, Study Bible uses the term “circa” 1914 referring to the Gentile Times clearly admitting that it is not an exact date and that there is a tolerance for error in the measurement.
  
  
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  Here's a question that I guarantee no one has ever thought of!

  by nowwhat? in

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  unlike men who took no note, surely the fallen angels knew of gods plan to flood the earth, so why didn't they build an ark(s) for their nephilum sons?

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  he must have at least known

  JW doctrine explains that. Just repeating myself here. God did not know Satan would sin, or Adam or the choices that Israel would make.

  “You have the choice, life or death….”
  
  
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  Here's a question that I guarantee no one has ever thought of!

  by nowwhat? in

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  2. bible

  unlike men who took no note, surely the fallen angels knew of gods plan to flood the earth, so why didn't they build an ark(s) for their nephilum sons?

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  Fisherman

  a parable that fits in all facets of application,

  As you see it.

  Also, according to JW doctrine, God is not all knowing and the Jews were not destined to kill Jesus:

  “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets, how often I wanted.. but you people did not want it..” So Jesus attempt would have been pointless had the Jews been predestined to kill Jesus. According to JW, they weren’t and could have repented like in Jonah and would have exclusively made up the 144,000.
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  Here's a question that I guarantee no one has ever thought of!

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  unlike men who took no note, surely the fallen angels knew of gods plan to flood the earth, so why didn't they build an ark(s) for their nephilum sons?

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  Fisherman

  Father (God) never thought Jesus would be killed

  That is not the point of the parable. It doesn’t need to be parallel in all aspects. Point is that God sent Jesus first to the Jews. They should have accepted him.
  
  
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  Here's a question that I guarantee no one has ever thought of!

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  unlike men who took no note, surely the fallen angels knew of gods plan to flood the earth, so why didn't they build an ark(s) for their nephilum sons?

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  so why didn't they build an ark

  Interesting.

  The point is that God would have killed them no matter what they tried. Even if they built an ark, they would have starved. They were doomed one way or another. Also, God may have communicated with Noah privately. As the saying goes: best way to hide an elephant is in plain sight. They may not even have believed Noah either.