Posts by Fisherman

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Should laws be passed compelling the church to report crimes?

by Fisherman in

if laws were passed compelling the church to report crimes to government authorities and there was no legal way around it and the church was forced to comply and did comply, nobody would confess their sins.

it wouldn’t stop people from committing crimes, they just wouldn’t tell their church about it.

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Fisherman

Over the years here I've been challenged and insulted. It can be stimulating, even helpful, intellectually and philosophically.

So, what? The issue here is law and my topic is about law. Don’t like it, kick rocks.

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Should laws be passed compelling the church to report crimes?

by Fisherman in

if laws were passed compelling the church to report crimes to government authorities and there was no legal way around it and the church was forced to comply and did comply, nobody would confess their sins.

it wouldn’t stop people from committing crimes, they just wouldn’t tell their church about it.

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Fisherman

So, it's not a matter of if it should or not, but why isn't this way everywhere?

Because of how Federal laws are interpreted by lawmakers in your jurisdiction. I answered this in my previous post. Federal laws would need to be changed. Some people want to get rid of the constitution altogether. Take for example the new abo&tion Scotus decision which says that it ain’t protected by Federal law and leaves it up to each State. A lot of people are angry about this and many States want to accommodate opposers even though the act of ab&rtion is illegal in their State so they can circumvent State law in the State where abo&tion is illegal. A lot people like evading the law of their jurisdiction arguing that it is legal to do so by going to another State and getting an ab&rtion while living in a State where it is illegal. But some people don’t like this.

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Should laws be passed compelling the church to report crimes?

by Fisherman in

if laws were passed compelling the church to report crimes to government authorities and there was no legal way around it and the church was forced to comply and did comply, nobody would confess their sins.

it wouldn’t stop people from committing crimes, they just wouldn’t tell their church about it.

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Fisherman

Some people may not like this but in Court feelings don't matter. It is not relevant. The only issue is law. People aren’t smart enough to realize this so they get angry and feel that Courts should enforce their feelings. While people have a right to get angry, the government does not enforce feelings. For example, in the US there exists this piece of paper called the US constitution which protects the rights of criminals ( and everybody else ). For example, the 4th amendment protects the privacy of criminal s and police and other agencies have to swear an oath to defend the constitution which means protecting the rights of criminals. A lot of people may not like and fight against and get angry at the constitution and those that defend it but it is the law. A lot of people get angry at laws that protect the rights of criminals ( and they have a right to get angry but tough bananas ) for example, if you set a booby trap for a criminal and injure him while he is committing a crime on your property, you can get prosecuted because the law protects tte rights of criminals. This is just one example. Lawyers protect and defends millions of criminals even to the point of setting them free sometimes all of the time. Some States have a no bail no jail policy letting criminals go free. You don’t like it and you get angry about it too bad. Want something to be done about it legally, the law needs to be changed.

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Should laws be passed compelling the church to report crimes?

by Fisherman in

if laws were passed compelling the church to report crimes to government authorities and there was no legal way around it and the church was forced to comply and did comply, nobody would confess their sins.

it wouldn’t stop people from committing crimes, they just wouldn’t tell their church about it.

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Fisherman

defending religious policies that protect thousands of criminals

How am I defending religious policies?

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Should laws be passed compelling the church to report crimes?

by Fisherman in

if laws were passed compelling the church to report crimes to government authorities and there was no legal way around it and the church was forced to comply and did comply, nobody would confess their sins.

it wouldn’t stop people from committing crimes, they just wouldn’t tell their church about it.

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Fisherman

Smiles

How is asking for a view on an issue and explaining the tension on the issue being ignorant or playing devils advocate? Shoe is on the other foot.

Catholic church would need to start reporting crimes heard at confession.

The latest WT mag proclaimed that the congregation will not shield criminals —so watch out from now on. But it really depends on the government on the Federal level to repeal laws that protect penitent communications, then there will be no legal basis not to report. Then pass compulsory reporting laws. Then also force your wife, your friends, your siblings, sons, fathers, mothers to report crimes to the authorities as well. Your lawyer too.

There are mandatory reporting laws however in place at the State level that protect children but it is up to the government to enforce those laws. But children is not directly the focal point of this topic. It’s crimes in general.

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Should laws be passed compelling the church to report crimes?

by Fisherman in

if laws were passed compelling the church to report crimes to government authorities and there was no legal way around it and the church was forced to comply and did comply, nobody would confess their sins.

it wouldn’t stop people from committing crimes, they just wouldn’t tell their church about it.

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Fisherman

If laws were passed compelling the church to report crimes to government authorities and there was no legal way around it and the church was forced to comply and did comply, nobody would confess their sins. It wouldn’t stop people from committing crimes, they just wouldn’t tell their church about it.

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Conditions of Watchtower Baptism

by Vanderhoven7 in

i understand that there are 80 to 100 questions that would-be witnesses must answer correctly before they can be considered eligible for "christian baptism".

however i have noticed that none of the questions relate to the 607destruction, the 1914 invisible presence and enthronement, or even the 1919 appointment of the faithful slave.. now some may feel my question is ridiculous, but bear with me.. will jehovah's witnesses baptize someone who answers all 100 questions satisfactorily, but rejects 607, 1914 and 1919 and the events the watchtower associates with these dates if they agree not to express their rejection to others?.

your thoughts....

Fisherman

JW baptism serves two purposes.

1. You become a Christian.

2. You become a fellow sheep of the JW community with JW having church authority over you.

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Canada : Baby of Jehovah's Witness parents may receive blood transfusions

by yalbmert99 in

canada, province of québec : baby of jehovah's witness parents may receive blood transfusions.

in french, use google translate for english.

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1907941/temoin-jehovah-transfusion-sang-anemie.

Fisherman

but it still needs a court order in most countries

Because doctors don’t have legal authority. They need to get it from the State. Children are a ward of the State ( under some legal circumstances ) not of a hospital.

But there is a legal difference between a parent imposing their religion on their child depriving a child of medical treatment and a parent’s right to decide the best medical treatment for their child, acting on the child’s best interest and not based on religion.

But the State has authority over children regardless and doctors can go to the Courts if they have medical reasons the parent is making a wacky decision, or when doctors believe the child needs a treatment and a parent is not cooperating,

But some religious groups have clout and the authorities look the other way. —Until a problem arises, for example, some orthodox jews don’t vaccinate their children and since they send their children to Jewish owned schools run by orthodox jews, the kids don’t get vaccinated tor measles, etc. Until there is a measles epidemic and other infections, resulting in the municipality sending out health inspectors to enforce health codes in religious schools, even shutting down non complying religious schools who cannot provide vaccination records.— Until the coast is clear. When everything goes back to normal and the publicity dies out and also the infection rate, the government turns a blind eye influenced by clout; I’m sure of it.

But any time a hospital believes that a child needs medical treatment ( and the money iain’t coming out of their personal pocket) and parents don’t cooperate, they can easily get a Court Order and treat the child. They cannot do that with an adult although in the past I’ve seen Courts go against a proxy and order treatment in-spite of a proxy based on the wishes of a spouse or close family member. Depends on the judge and the case but now-days the proxy will normally stand.
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Young People Ask: Why Distribute WT Literature?

by Sea Breeze in

"so the visible congregation of god's people has $omething to do with the provision of salvation today.

indeed, it has an important place in that provision.

- watchtower 1967 aug 15 p.499.

Fisherman

Because the JW eternal stand is that JW will never stop until JW are stopped by God.

—Except the Finish preaching work in Findland.

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Did Jesus have a Y chromosome?

by Fisherman in

even in jesus’s day, humans had chromosomes.

and so did jesus —because he was human.

so let’s say jesus took a dna test, his mitochondrial dna would go back to eve but interestingly jc also would inherit dna from sinful adam on his mother’s side because his mother mary passed on to jc dna from both adam and eve.

Fisherman

Why? Seems to me it's not necessary at all.

Yeah, so?

If you are playing checkers or commenting on a match, you should know or learn the rules. —Not be critical about them.