Posts by Fisherman

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Watchtower looses Norwegian Appeal

by Diogenesister in

watchtower has just lost its appeal in the norwegian courts over the withdrawal of the funding it receives from the government as an officially recognised religion.

the initial decision will now stand due to what the court termed 'exclusionary practices' which includes the witnesses barbaric practice of shunning minors, even by family members in their own homes.

the ministry of children and families have decided they are now no longer eligible for the state grant of 16 million norwegian kroner given to officially recognised religions.. the following is a statement has been issued, i have summarised if it isn't readable: .

Fisherman

Why should people be taxed to support religion?

Makes sense but Caesar does what it likes with taxes it collects juxtaposition property taken from JW that they bought with their own money in countries like Rissua. Fair to say that compared to the churches and other religions, the JW do not receive gov funding although as a legitimate religion they do qualify for tax exempt status, and to target JW and impose the tax based on not being a religion is bogus unless JW don’t meet some other legal requirement of the country.

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Watchtower looses Norwegian Appeal

by Diogenesister in

watchtower has just lost its appeal in the norwegian courts over the withdrawal of the funding it receives from the government as an officially recognised religion.

the initial decision will now stand due to what the court termed 'exclusionary practices' which includes the witnesses barbaric practice of shunning minors, even by family members in their own homes.

the ministry of children and families have decided they are now no longer eligible for the state grant of 16 million norwegian kroner given to officially recognised religions.. the following is a statement has been issued, i have summarised if it isn't readable: .

Fisherman

they had a reason. Shunning of minors is violating childrens rights.

They always have a reason. The issue is whether shunning is child abuse legally. I pointed out that the State punishes children not considered child abuse legally.

JW want their children to have Bible moral values when they grow up. Even as children, there are consequences to conduct. The State will take the kids away from the parents if they commit crimes and that ain’t child abuse or lock up their parents and that ain’t child abuse as I already pointed out. Seems the reasons here have an ulterior motive behind it all, they don’t like JW to begin with and construing ways to stop them.

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Watchtower looses Norwegian Appeal

by Diogenesister in

watchtower has just lost its appeal in the norwegian courts over the withdrawal of the funding it receives from the government as an officially recognised religion.

the initial decision will now stand due to what the court termed 'exclusionary practices' which includes the witnesses barbaric practice of shunning minors, even by family members in their own homes.

the ministry of children and families have decided they are now no longer eligible for the state grant of 16 million norwegian kroner given to officially recognised religions.. the following is a statement has been issued, i have summarised if it isn't readable: .

Fisherman

you think governments should subsidize religious groups?

Hi vid!!!

Remember our heated dialogues in the past. Warm regards to you.

Vid, I think that if gov has a legal standing on some issue, they have authority to compel. Also, if there is a real safety concern. But to pick on JW or anybody else is wrong.

Also, depends on how one defines subsidize. To exclude one group without just reasons is wrong.

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Was Jesus the Messiah circumcised ?

by smiddy3 in

has this question ever been raised before by jehovah`s witnesses?

and what`s the significance, if any ?.

Fisherman

I believe that JC was circumcised because the Bible days that he was under the kaw and the he fulfilled the law and kept the law perfectly and that would include his parents circumcising him. Also, his patents were law abiding snd the Jewish authorities saw to it. Under the law it will as required and entering the temple in an uncircumcised state was forbidden.

I wonder if JC experienced sexual feelings and attraction to females growing up. And if he souled his diapers and the human element about him. Obviously he did because he was human. But the Bible doesn’t outright say.

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Have JW `s ever faced the topic of Jesus having inherited Adamic sin ?

by smiddy3 in

according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.

mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.

and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.

Fisherman

conclusions. --- drawn from?

interpretations.

Such as the eyes of Eve were opened only after Adam sinned. Death penalty was not pronounced on Eve. Texts like “through one man sin entered into the world.”

Is it then sequitor that Eve could conceive like Mary perfect children inspite of her sin had Adam remained obedient? Maybe or seemingly. But that is a conclusion derived from the text.

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Watchtower looses Norwegian Appeal

by Diogenesister in

watchtower has just lost its appeal in the norwegian courts over the withdrawal of the funding it receives from the government as an officially recognised religion.

the initial decision will now stand due to what the court termed 'exclusionary practices' which includes the witnesses barbaric practice of shunning minors, even by family members in their own homes.

the ministry of children and families have decided they are now no longer eligible for the state grant of 16 million norwegian kroner given to officially recognised religions.. the following is a statement has been issued, i have summarised if it isn't readable: .

Fisherman

child abuse right

They put children in jail or in custody when they commit crimes. Is that abuse? They put parents of children in jail when parents commit crimes separating from parents and arresting in front of children. Is that abuse? Children get expelled from school is that abuse? All if a sudden because JW have rules of membership for everybody it is abuse because people become bitter and want to get back at Jw through political ties or tge favorite church of the government doesn’t like the religious competition from jw seems to me.Abuse having to do with harming physically mentally or emotionally is under the jurisdiction of the gov.

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Was Jesus the Messiah circumcised ?

by smiddy3 in

has this question ever been raised before by jehovah`s witnesses?

and what`s the significance, if any ?.

Fisherman

The Bible doesn’t say. The Bible doesn’t say he went to the bathroom either, or the shape of the cross he was executed on.

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Have JW `s ever faced the topic of Jesus having inherited Adamic sin ?

by smiddy3 in

according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.

mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.

and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.

Fisherman

Conclusions without evidence. wow. or

I didn’t say there is no evidence. I said that the argument was based on conclusions. The Bible does not directly say or imply or infer or lead to to conclusion. WT is not saying now that is not the case.

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Have JW `s ever faced the topic of Jesus having inherited Adamic sin ?

by smiddy3 in

according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.

mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.

and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.

Fisherman

not an attractive man.

Poetic Bible language aka literary device.

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Have JW `s ever faced the topic of Jesus having inherited Adamic sin ?

by smiddy3 in

according to the bible all humans male and female have inherited sin because of adam and eve`s disobedience to god .. god may have impregnated mary with a life force , however it was still sinful mary who gave birth to jesus after nine months in her body who is /was supposedly without sin ?.

mary must have passed on some of her sinful state to jesus having been in her womb for the past nine months , surely.

and there is nothing in the bible / scripture to say otherwise ?.

Fisherman

Jesus was pre-conceived in vitro within a heavenly laboratory.

Mary was not a surrogate mother. She was genetically related to Jesus and probably looked like him.