Brother Fisher caught my eye.
JW unlike “Christendom” have changed their beliefs and will change their beliefs because of better understanding of scripture and because they don’t claim to be infallible. JW admit they’ve been wrong.
Fisherman
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Is the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses REALLY the "faithful and discreet slave" of Matt. 24:45-47?
by Roger Kirkpatrick inthesis: when someone who is given a responsibility mistakes that responsibility for authority, bullying is very likely to occur.. jesus spoke an illustration recorded at matthew 24: 45-51 which well illustrates this thesis.. jesus asked, “who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over all his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?
happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so.
truly i say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings.
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New method to absolutely date Fall of Jerusalem.
by waton infor what it is worth to those interested.
1914.. tel-aviv university.
"biblical military campaigns reconstructed using geomagnetic field data.
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Fisherman
The WT arrived at it's conclusions not through best evidence
WT conclusions or interpretations are on what the scriptures mean, the best evidence for that is the ancient text.
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Are you convinced what the Gospels say about Jesus is true?
by Fisherman inprobably, the greatest advocacy for the gospels is the jw publication: the greatest man that ever lived.
it convinced me.. everything else that the bible says about the resurrection and eternal life logically follows.. the testimony of a “witness” in court matters only if it is observation not commentary ( expert witness is also commentary): what did you see, what did you hear, what is the magnitude of your measurement.
not, are you convinced; that is only belief.
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Fisherman
Probably, the greatest advocacy for the Gospels is the JW publication: The Greatest Man that Ever Lived. It convinced me.
Everything else that the Bible says about the resurrection and eternal life logically follows.
The testimony of a “witness” in Court matters only if it is observation not commentary ( expert witness is also commentary): What did you see, What did you hear, What is the magnitude of your measurement. Not, are you convinced; that is only belief. Although evidence and testimony are convincing to the mind, one can only know for a fact by observation, experience and measurement. When studying the Gospels, a person can become convinced but to know anything at all, the person would need direct evidence from God—a taste to actually witness about.
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Is the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses REALLY the "faithful and discreet slave" of Matt. 24:45-47?
by Roger Kirkpatrick inthesis: when someone who is given a responsibility mistakes that responsibility for authority, bullying is very likely to occur.. jesus spoke an illustration recorded at matthew 24: 45-51 which well illustrates this thesis.. jesus asked, “who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over all his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?
happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so.
truly i say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings.
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Fisherman
Where is that specifically stated?
I didn’t say specifically stated. All I said was “refers”.
And there are good reasons to believe WT interpretation of the verse.
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Is the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses REALLY the "faithful and discreet slave" of Matt. 24:45-47?
by Roger Kirkpatrick inthesis: when someone who is given a responsibility mistakes that responsibility for authority, bullying is very likely to occur.. jesus spoke an illustration recorded at matthew 24: 45-51 which well illustrates this thesis.. jesus asked, “who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over all his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?
happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so.
truly i say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings.
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Fisherman
faithful and discreet slave is every Christian who will hear Jesus say, "Well done my good and faithful servant!"
That too, but the scripture specifically refers to a group of people with a divine assignment on earth at the time of the end.
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How get out of watchtower?
by Hellothere inhow do you get out of watchtower?
am i supposed to write letter to bethel or local congregation telling them i don't want to be a jw anymore?
how are the steps.
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Fisherman
Perhaps because you love your family.
I understand.
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How get out of watchtower?
by Hellothere inhow do you get out of watchtower?
am i supposed to write letter to bethel or local congregation telling them i don't want to be a jw anymore?
how are the steps.
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Fisherman
Yes, you may want to come back so family members will talk to you again
Why in the world would you want to talk to people that do not want to talk to you even if it is family. And then blame wt for its rules. Blame the family who made that choice.
On the other hand I am sure you can understand a father who’s son took up smoking or drugs or a life of immortality and left the way of salvation and was df with the hope that consequences of being df would straighten out some of his thinking. Im also sure you understand the despair of a father watching his son on the wrong path in life. He won’t tolerate that conduct and doesn’t want his son smoking using drugs or pursuing conduct that will harm his son. What father doesn’t love his son and doesn’t want the best for him? There is no other acceptable way. The son must stop or choose to hurt his loved ones. He is free to do so but he cannot have his JW father’s approval. More painful for the father thsn for the son.
Take for example a father that leaves JW and starts celebrating the holidays and is angry with JW. He may have grandkids from believing children and compassionately the son allows his df father to see and spend time with his grandchildren but what happens is that the df grandfather starts giving the kids birthday presents and easter bunnies and calls them on the phone wishing them merry christmas and so on so the JW decides not to allow the children to communicate with the df grandfather. And that’s that.
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How get out of watchtower?
by Hellothere inhow do you get out of watchtower?
am i supposed to write letter to bethel or local congregation telling them i don't want to be a jw anymore?
how are the steps.
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People slip out whenever they want. But if you ever want to come back….
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Paypal sucks
by peacefulpete ini know its been said many times before but man does paypal suck.
for anyone out there who uses ebay and its paypal payment system, take warning!
i've used it many times before as both seller and buyer and no complaint except for the fees involved.
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Fisherman
e I got robbed big time.
Thats’s your side of the story but it also depends on the terms you agreed to. If you were defrauded, there are remedies such as a lawsuit and a complaint to competent authorities. My bank for example has integrated terms that any fraudulent credit card deductions are guaranteed for a few months. After that, they don’t pay. But if a person has a lot of transactions, fraudulent charges may slip through, and if you finally realize it after their time frame they won’t reimburse you but you agreed to this in terms of service. Your only remedy is to sue the entity that robbed you.
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CSA and the UK Catholic Church.
by Lost in the fog inthe comments underneath the article are almost as interesting as the article.. .
https://mercatornet.com/secrecy-confession-england-wales/81615/.
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Fisherman
The fact that they are willing to comply with mandatory reporting when it is the law,
It seems to be the rule that when you are a victim of a crime or report a crime that you witness, you get entangled in the legal proceedings. Reporting a crime creates legal problems for the person reporting. It is not so clear cut to go and report crimes to the authorities. If a person can legally avail himself to counsel, that may be a defense from the legal consequences and problems that can result from reporting a crime. What a person chooses to do on his own though is up to the person and reap benefits or consequences.
J W elders are functionaries of the JW church entity and are required to follow orders—sort of speak . If they don’t want to, they are acting outside their authority. It seems that the JW policy is for their church officials to report crimes to their legal department. This means that the church and elders involved in the incident are legally represented by counsel— but wouldn’t shield the elder from personal liability but that’s why he went to a lawyer to begin with. The law firm also may be liable because they are required to do what the law mandates. For example, if a person goes to a lawyer to confess a crime or report a crime doesn’t release him of liability because he informed his lawyer. The law firm is also required to do things without breaking laws.
The only issue here is if the WT doing things relating to mandatory reporting without breaking the law. The Courts also have jurisdiction over natural justice relating to unclean hands, unfairness, deceptiveness, misrepresentations that results in injury to someone if someone is using the law to harm others. But all this is legal and not moral. The law doesn’t govern good and bad. An example of this is legal se$ual conduct or legal a*ortions that a lot of people find shocking and offensive and immoral and wrong—but very legal. JW like everyone else are not above the rule of secular law but if the only issue with mandatory reporting is your moral standard vs JW what can the Courts do?
Based on 1A people can ridicule and bring public awareness about policies —which is bad publicity. The institution may as a result be pressured to change but if it is a core belief or elemental on how things are done it will remain the same. How many people are pressured to change their immoral conduct because of 1A preaching to them about it? Just a thought.
Ultimately, children need to be protected and the Courts and the law have that power so that people don’t use the law resulting in helpless children being abused.