do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?
inquiring minds want to know .
estephan.
and covetousness, which is idolatry:
That is not the idolatry that describes Babylon the Great. Jews never practiced idolatry or spiritism again nor in the first century. Neither was Jerusalem a kingdom. It was a subjugated city paying taxes with zero influence over Rome let alone the kings of the earth. The religious leaders of Jesus’s day were not the consorts of the Romans or anybody else. Romans had their own gods. It is obvious the facts are self evident. Conclude as you wish.
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?
inquiring minds want to know .
estephan.
Conclusion: Jerusalem is Revelation’s Babylon
No, because BTH is guilty of Idolatry whereas Jerusalem learned its lesson after the Babylonian captivity and did not practice idolatry again. In Jesus’ day, Jesus foretold the destruction of Jerusalem not because it was acting like Babylon the Great as described in Revelation but because they rejected God’s son, fought against God’s Holy Spirit and had Jesus mur&erd. Also, Jerusalem did not suffer the fate of Babylon the great and the events that follow the destruction of BTG did not transpire after 70CE. In fact, the Jews reorganized in Javneh and founded Rabbinical Judaism to this day.—Besides the modern day Republic of Israel —with Jerusalem. Obviously, Babylon the Great is another entity.
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?
inquiring minds want to know .
estephan.
In the Bible, the city of Jerusalem, the Jewish mother organization representing the system of worship for Israel is personified as the wife of God ( “Where is the divorce certificate if the mother of you people which I sent away. “ In the Christian Scriptures, the New Jerusalem also symbolizes the wife of Christ, the church, true religion. It would fit the bill if Babylon the great turns out to be false religion.
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?
inquiring minds want to know .
estephan.
as a message written in a specific manner at a specific time and a specific place to a specific audience in response to a specific problem, but attempts to interpret it outside that context age
The identity of the Genesis serpent for example was interpreted by John in Revelation about 1600 years later. Not to mention the identity of the disgusting thing causing desolation spoken by Daniel in the Babylonian diaspora interpreted by Jesus circa 33CE and finally realizing in the Roman armies in 70CE, and the messianic prophecies realizing in Jesus—to a different audience, etc… so your view seriously fails here.
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?
inquiring minds want to know .
estephan.
One thing is certain. The Babylon the great prophecy has not been fulfilled.
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?
inquiring minds want to know .
estephan.
there just wasn’t enough wiggle room
There is. For example, a couple of years ago a new method of interpreting prophecy was explained at a wt study which established a basis for some aspects of a prophecy not to have a greater fulfillment or exact parallel while other parts do have multiple fulfillments.
The entire Bible is decoded by JW commentary. What remains is the realization of JW eschatology.: Cry of peace and security and the end of religion. JW are not pretending or putting on a show, they are convinced.
what are some of the red flags that should alert people to the fact that jehovah's witnesses are a high control and damaging religion?.
one that comes to mind is.
1. one cannot leave jehovah's witnesses with one's reputation intact.
This is not about me.
You shouldn’t conclude that from my post. I don’t know about you individually. I just meant that all JW are sinful people like everybody else. So I wouldn’t be concerned about my reputation. Look at Peter, look at David or at anybody. Everybody sins. And that’s what the ransom is for. —Does that sound cultish?
what are some of the red flags that should alert people to the fact that jehovah's witnesses are a high control and damaging religion?.
one that comes to mind is.
1. one cannot leave jehovah's witnesses with one's reputation intact.
One cannot leave Jehovah's Witnesses with one's reputation intact
Even if you stay, who has a perfect reputation from gb down to joe pub 3rd class? And maybe not in public. But everybody is human so nobody is any better. Some have better self control than others. There is a difference between being wicked and being weak. In public and formally there is an appearance. So do you care in the least what people think about you. Don’t you believe in God can exalt you and humiliate others?
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?
inquiring minds want to know .
estephan.
the Bible is “magical”
It is not Rome because the great tribulation and Armageddon did not happen and neither did Rome suffer the same fate as BTG.
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?
inquiring minds want to know .
estephan.
superstitious belief
If that is the case, end of discussion.
Now, if we consider that the Bible is the word of God as a given factor, then we are looking for values of variables such as the meaning of BTG using the entire Bible as an equation
Since we already know the answer when we consider the Bible is a sham, we are not trying to validate the Bible in this equation. That is a different equation —and subject —and being a troll —and disruptive. The book of Revelation describes the fall of Babylon the great, the great tribulation, Armageddon, the Millennium, Resurrection of the dead, etc.
Start your own topic about the validity of the Bible. Your comments would be relevant under that subject.
Respectfully,
FM
