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Babylon the Great
by Godlyman in
1. watchtower
2. bible
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

inquiring minds want to know .

estephan.
Fisherman

Babylon the Great is hot
She was once. Now she is an old girl.
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Babylon the Great
by Godlyman in
1. watchtower
2. bible
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

inquiring minds want to know .

estephan.
Fisherman

If Jerusalem did not represent the kingdom of God, why did Jesus say, "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."
As we at JW see it, Jews were first in line to rule as king priests with Jesus. At Pentecost, the church began to be chosen by God consisting of Gentiles thus rejecting natural Israel.
Jerusalem’s kings ended with Zedekiah circa 607 BCE, the last king of Judah. Thereafter, Jerusalem was trampled by the nations and did not rule kings. —Nor rule at all all over anybody,
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Babylon the Great
by Godlyman in
1. watchtower
2. bible
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

inquiring minds want to know .

estephan.
Fisherman

and covetousness, which is idolatry:
That is not the idolatry that describes Babylon the Great. Jews never practiced idolatry or spiritism again nor in the first century. Neither was Jerusalem a kingdom. It was a subjugated city paying taxes with zero influence over Rome let alone the kings of the earth. The religious leaders of Jesus’s day were not the consorts of the Romans or anybody else. Romans had their own gods. It is obvious the facts are self evident. Conclude as you wish.
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Babylon the Great
by Godlyman in
1. watchtower
2. bible
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

inquiring minds want to know .

estephan.
Fisherman

Conclusion: Jerusalem is Revelation’s Babylon
No, because BTH is guilty of Idolatry whereas Jerusalem learned its lesson after the Babylonian captivity and did not practice idolatry again. In Jesus’ day, Jesus foretold the destruction of Jerusalem not because it was acting like Babylon the Great as described in Revelation but because they rejected God’s son, fought against God’s Holy Spirit and had Jesus mur&erd. Also, Jerusalem did not suffer the fate of Babylon the great and the events that follow the destruction of BTG did not transpire after 70CE. In fact, the Jews reorganized in Javneh and founded Rabbinical Judaism to this day.—Besides the modern day Republic of Israel —with Jerusalem. Obviously, Babylon the Great is another entity.
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Babylon the Great
by Godlyman in
1. watchtower
2. bible
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

inquiring minds want to know .

estephan.
Fisherman

In the Bible, the city of Jerusalem, the Jewish mother organization representing the system of worship for Israel is personified as the wife of God ( “Where is the divorce certificate if the mother of you people which I sent away. “ In the Christian Scriptures, the New Jerusalem also symbolizes the wife of Christ, the church, true religion. It would fit the bill if Babylon the great turns out to be false religion.
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Babylon the Great
by Godlyman in
1. watchtower
2. bible
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

inquiring minds want to know .

estephan.
Fisherman

as a message written in a specific manner at a specific time and a specific place to a specific audience in response to a specific problem, but attempts to interpret it outside that context age
The identity of the Genesis serpent for example was interpreted by John in Revelation about 1600 years later. Not to mention the identity of the disgusting thing causing desolation spoken by Daniel in the Babylonian diaspora interpreted by Jesus circa 33CE and finally realizing in the Roman armies in 70CE, and the messianic prophecies realizing in Jesus—to a different audience, etc… so your view seriously fails here.
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Babylon the Great
by Godlyman in
1. watchtower
2. bible
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

inquiring minds want to know .

estephan.
Fisherman

One thing is certain. The Babylon the great prophecy has not been fulfilled.
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Babylon the Great
by Godlyman in
1. watchtower
2. bible
do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

inquiring minds want to know .

estephan.
Fisherman

there just wasn’t enough wiggle room
There is. For example, a couple of years ago a new method of interpreting prophecy was explained at a wt study which established a basis for some aspects of a prophecy not to have a greater fulfillment or exact parallel while other parts do have multiple fulfillments.
The entire Bible is decoded by JW commentary. What remains is the realization of JW eschatology.: Cry of peace and security and the end of religion. JW are not pretending or putting on a show, they are convinced.
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Red Flags identifying Jehovah's Witnesses as a Cult
by Vanderhoven7 in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
what are some of the red flags that should alert people to the fact that jehovah's witnesses are a high control and damaging religion?.

one that comes to mind is.

1. one cannot leave jehovah's witnesses with one's reputation intact.
Fisherman

This is not about me.
You shouldn’t conclude that from my post. I don’t know about you individually. I just meant that all JW are sinful people like everybody else. So I wouldn’t be concerned about my reputation. Look at Peter, look at David or at anybody. Everybody sins. And that’s what the ransom is for. —Does that sound cultish?
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Red Flags identifying Jehovah's Witnesses as a Cult
by Vanderhoven7 in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
what are some of the red flags that should alert people to the fact that jehovah's witnesses are a high control and damaging religion?.

one that comes to mind is.

1. one cannot leave jehovah's witnesses with one's reputation intact.
Fisherman

One cannot leave Jehovah's Witnesses with one's reputation intact
Even if you stay, who has a perfect reputation from gb down to joe pub 3rd class? And maybe not in public. But everybody is human so nobody is any better. Some have better self control than others. There is a difference between being wicked and being weak. In public and formally there is an appearance. So do you care in the least what people think about you. Don’t you believe in God can exalt you and humiliate others?