Posts by Fisherman

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freedom of speech and loss of rights

by enoughisenough in

i was thinking about freedom of speech after watching a clip about the jw suing kevin mcfree.

they wanted to take away his freedom of speech.

but in thinking about it, that is the way of the organization, save they want to control thought as well.

Fisherman

The method they are employing is unethical and legally questionable.

That’s what the courts are for. And the State Bar. If an act is legal and people don’t like it based on personal ethics, too bad. What prosecutors do for example is to threaten a defendant to plead guilty to lesser charges or face added charges whether or not those added charges will stick. They would need to be defended and very expensive to do so and there is a risk that a person can be convicted. A defendant doesn’t like that but the law says if is legal to do it.

If you want to me mess with someone’s copyright, that infringed person can pursue legal action. You can run but you cant hide from the owner. Don’t like it, sue them back.

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Are the teachings of JW—consistent?

by Fisherman in

i would belief so but if you can point something out, it can be discussed.. i don’t mean what jw taught in the past that they later realized was not correct and amended.

—unless you think and can show something like that is relevant.. i’ve spoken to a lot of believers from different religions.

i don’t want to bash any religion here under this topic but their beliefs are inconsistent and their reasons are sophistry and made up and grounded on circular reasoning.

Fisherman

Thanks for your view UTR. I am not trying to be a WT apologists or defending WT under this topic. Obviously WT has classified the conduct you mention in your post compared to WT interpretation of the Bible. There are many other Bible interpretations on the subjects you described. Ultimately it is a person’s conscience and personal relationship with God that can allow a person to do the things you mention in your post, but those are the beliefs and religious practices of JW and a person that doesn’t live by those standards of conduct cannot be a JW. That is why some people choose not to be JW or come to the realization that they want to leave. However, the reasons the WT gives for the beliefs seem logical to me. I don’t know how many people posting here belong to other churches and like their beliefs, but for example, you mention in vitro fertilization with donated sp$rm. I am not criticizing what people feel is morally right here, but there is a reasonable moral argument against IVF and I don’t see how wt position on it is not valid.

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Are the teachings of JW—consistent?

by Fisherman in

i would belief so but if you can point something out, it can be discussed.. i don’t mean what jw taught in the past that they later realized was not correct and amended.

—unless you think and can show something like that is relevant.. i’ve spoken to a lot of believers from different religions.

i don’t want to bash any religion here under this topic but their beliefs are inconsistent and their reasons are sophistry and made up and grounded on circular reasoning.

Fisherman

PON

How about answering my question instead of going of on a tangent. We go back a long time PON. We had our dialogues in the past.

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freedom of speech and loss of rights

by enoughisenough in

i was thinking about freedom of speech after watching a clip about the jw suing kevin mcfree.

they wanted to take away his freedom of speech.

but in thinking about it, that is the way of the organization, save they want to control thought as well.

Fisherman

When they do, the WTS usually loses the case and/or (as in the McFree case) drop it.

That is for the Courts to adjudicate but any owner of a copyright is within his legal right to defend it. Don’t like it, too bad.

This is, effectively, a misuse of the legal system.

You can pursue that claim legally except that there is no law that says that it is abuse of process. For example SCOTUS decided not too long ago that police are within their authority to run anybody’s plates for any reason they like. The decision stemmed from a complaint in lower Courts that rogue police were getting personal information from the plates and selling it. The legal issue was whether or not running plates requires the standard of arguable reasonable suspicion. Court decided that they don’t need any legal grounds to do it. Many other examples. The principle here is that wt owns the copyright and at any point in a lawsuit they can legally drop it. And that is the law. Don’t like it? Write to congress for example.

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Are the teachings of JW—consistent?

by Fisherman in

i would belief so but if you can point something out, it can be discussed.. i don’t mean what jw taught in the past that they later realized was not correct and amended.

—unless you think and can show something like that is relevant.. i’ve spoken to a lot of believers from different religions.

i don’t want to bash any religion here under this topic but their beliefs are inconsistent and their reasons are sophistry and made up and grounded on circular reasoning.

Fisherman

the unusual sentence structures and spelling errors. All part of the joke?

Is that what you conclude after being on this forum longer than you? Also, it was 3AM, mate when I posted this thread. Try to use a little common sense.

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Are the teachings of JW—consistent?

by Fisherman in

i would belief so but if you can point something out, it can be discussed.. i don’t mean what jw taught in the past that they later realized was not correct and amended.

—unless you think and can show something like that is relevant.. i’ve spoken to a lot of believers from different religions.

i don’t want to bash any religion here under this topic but their beliefs are inconsistent and their reasons are sophistry and made up and grounded on circular reasoning.

Fisherman

the antediluvian world was entirely vegetarian is a repudiation of the design requires a designer argument.

Hi TD,

Thanks for your informative post and for answering the question asked under this topic. I enjoy your commentaries. A young universe was taught by wt in the past but it wasn’t their idea, that is how WT interpreted the Bible. In light of indisputable empirical science, the belief in a young universe is falsifiable so wt later reinterpreted the Bible to agree with science. WT now teaches that the the Bible can be interpreted to mean what science says about an older universe.

Does the Bible teach predation before the fall of man as you interpret the Bible ?

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Why Not Celebrate Christmas?

by Mum in

jw
friends

so, jw's don't celebrate christmas or other holidays.

as bill cetnar once said, there are two reasons for everything: the reason they tell you, and the real reason.

they will tell you it's because christmas is "pagan" and can lead to all sorts of licentious conduct (like drinking too much macallan scotch?)..

Fisherman

LHG.

Whether or not the reasons I showed are valid an true and work out is not the issue here under this topic and neither are they my reasons because they ain’t my rules. I was responding to your claim that FDS counsels against higher education for the reason that less educated JW are easier to manage and that ain’t the case for the reasons I stated.

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Why Not Celebrate Christmas?

by Mum in

jw
friends

so, jw's don't celebrate christmas or other holidays.

as bill cetnar once said, there are two reasons for everything: the reason they tell you, and the real reason.

they will tell you it's because christmas is "pagan" and can lead to all sorts of licentious conduct (like drinking too much macallan scotch?)..

Fisherman

They KID themselves , THEY , have god given authority ,

Hi smiddy,

I wasn’t saying that they do under this topic. I was only making the point that based on that premise they can make rules for JW. In fact, at baptism a JW subscribes to that authority.

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Why Not Celebrate Christmas?

by Mum in

jw
friends

so, jw's don't celebrate christmas or other holidays.

as bill cetnar once said, there are two reasons for everything: the reason they tell you, and the real reason.

they will tell you it's because christmas is "pagan" and can lead to all sorts of licentious conduct (like drinking too much macallan scotch?)..

Fisherman

Their real reason is that they dislike educated people because they are ‘harder to counsel’

I thought about that in my distant pass but actually people with higher education make more money they can contribute, are more useful because of the training and have better logical skills so that isn’t the reason. The real reasons are 1 bad associations at a vulnerable age, distraction from spiritual goals because you are not seeking first the kingdom and sadly the wisdom of the world such as evolution and philosophy and critical thinking of the Bible is very persuasive and blinding and can convince someone that the Bible is not from God or challenge many JW teachings and once a person is in that frame of mind, he is out. Also pursuing a career and putting the kingdom work on hold instead of trusting in God. Baptized JW dedicated his life to God and doesn’t own it to pursue oersonal goals and careers. His career is his ministry-should be.

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Why Not Celebrate Christmas?

by Mum in

jw
friends

so, jw's don't celebrate christmas or other holidays.

as bill cetnar once said, there are two reasons for everything: the reason they tell you, and the real reason.

they will tell you it's because christmas is "pagan" and can lead to all sorts of licentious conduct (like drinking too much macallan scotch?)..

Fisherman

the FDS having God given authority over the JW..” But, I’m not getting into it.

Whether they actually have God given authority is not the issue. Based on the premise they do, is how they can make such rules is the point.