Posts by Fisherman

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What Will JW's Do If They Find Themselves Still Conscious after Death?

by Sea Breeze in

we all know that despite many scriptures to the contrary, jw's believe that when they die, their consciousness will cease.

my question is this: what will be the likely reaction of jw's if they find themselves conscious after death?.

Fisherman

every agonising death…..

Of course I understand, Cofty.

One time in service, Cofty, I saw a totally blind man and I felt so helpless that I could do nothing for him. I thought about that this man was doomed for the rest of his life to be blind with no hope whatsoever for a cure and I figured that he might be angry with God. So, I approached him and asked him about God expecting to hear something angry from him but to my surprise the blind man said to me: “No! God helps me.” So he obviously had a relationship with God. It was touching. What also brings tears to my eyes is the gospel story when JC tells the leper I want to. But it is so devastating to see not only people but animals with their unique personalities doomed in life. It is so sad and painful. For example, a baby”s laughter. The Bible says that God is going to act someday. I believe it.

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Some thoughts on the message of doom

by JeffT in

jw
friends

one of the recent threads on the talk about the hailstone message got me to thinking.

the problem with putting out a message like that is what to do when nothing happens.

i have to think that somebody will be asking that question.

Fisherman

Do you perceive yourself as getting a mental impression from angels to go to specific homes,

No. The point is trust in divine backing. Which JW teach and also angelic direction. In reply to personal sneering and desire of the houses of others.

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Some thoughts on the message of doom

by JeffT in

jw
friends

one of the recent threads on the talk about the hailstone message got me to thinking.

the problem with putting out a message like that is what to do when nothing happens.

i have to think that somebody will be asking that question.

Fisherman

you and you buddies discuss which homes you would like to move into

Never. The angels direct to which homes people might respond. The work is done after prayer. The desire is to somehow help people and give them hope for something better and to draw them to God. The greatest joy is to help people even in the least. Like hoping your son will listen to you instead of being in danger. That is what it’s about. Who wants to deliver a message of doom to someone you want to help?

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What Will JW's Do If They Find Themselves Still Conscious after Death?

by Sea Breeze in

we all know that despite many scriptures to the contrary, jw's believe that when they die, their consciousness will cease.

my question is this: what will be the likely reaction of jw's if they find themselves conscious after death?.

Fisherman

Diog

The argument is that God put man and woman in a Utopian environment. Adam was commanded not to eat a poison fruit that would cause his death. He ate it anyway. God had other plans for Adam —too bad. By God’s mercy, humanity ( you and me ) was given a chance to live. Sadly, it hasn’t been easy for anybody but God has a cure, a remedy. It is painful and takes a long time to kick in but it is a cure. That’s the explanation.

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Some thoughts on the message of doom

by JeffT in

jw
friends

one of the recent threads on the talk about the hailstone message got me to thinking.

the problem with putting out a message like that is what to do when nothing happens.

i have to think that somebody will be asking that question.

Fisherman

“This GOOD NEWS of the kingdom” is not a message of doom. Just like Noah entered the Ark, they took no note.

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What Will JW's Do If They Find Themselves Still Conscious after Death?

by Sea Breeze in

we all know that despite many scriptures to the contrary, jw's believe that when they die, their consciousness will cease.

my question is this: what will be the likely reaction of jw's if they find themselves conscious after death?.

Fisherman

Either way, the next conscious moment after death, you will face the inevitable.

I think the realization comes during one’s life or shortly before death. Sort of like the dance of death in the movie Once Upon a Time in the West when Bronson puts the harmonica between Fonda’s teeth, then he knows. He was forced to see.

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What Will JW's Do If They Find Themselves Still Conscious after Death?

by Sea Breeze in

we all know that despite many scriptures to the contrary, jw's believe that when they die, their consciousness will cease.

my question is this: what will be the likely reaction of jw's if they find themselves conscious after death?.

Fisherman

GOD’S TRUTH ON THE MATTER. Research research research

“..spirit goes out, it goes back to God. In that day his thoughts perish”

The way I read the verse is that the life force that animates the person leaves the body and the mortal creature ceases to exist. —That is to say until the creature is resurrected from the dead. But in the meantime the dead know nothing. That is why Job said “all my days of compulsory service I shall wait” and -Lord I know he will rise on the last day-and Jesus was the firstborn to spirit life from the dead. Prior to Jesus the dead were not conscious and needed a resurrection. Same thing after Jesus. The dead still need a resurrection. No point in creating a tree of life if you don’t really die. All creatures are mortal. Only God is Almighty and everlasting. However, God can give a creature immortality. That’s how I read the Bible.

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Elder asks my disfellowshipped cousin to leave house while grieving for his grandmother

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

fourteen years ago i started a thread on how horrible my disfellowshipped cousin was treated after his mom passed away and the terrible actions on the part of the elders at the funeral home.. 67. horrible conduct by congregation elders at my cousin's funeral.............. well, here we are 14 years later, and things haven't changed!.

my aunt ( who is my disfellowshipped cousin's grandmother ) was placed in home hospice care.

the nurse told her daughters ( who are jehovah's witnesses and live with their mother ) that their mom probably has 2 days left to live and that they should call the immediate family.. my disfellowshipped cousin and his sister show up in the early morning.

Fisherman

Depends on what he did no so much for being df. Fair to say some people are fanatical but he is entitled to his feelings as you are to yours.

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PRP (platelets) injections, are they effective? Do they REALLY work?

by Fisherman in

since health insurance doesn’t pay for prp injections, i am skeptical about it’s efficacy.

obviously if this treatment was necessary, it would be paid by health insurance.

don’t know much about prp except that the physician extracts blood from the patient and concentrates the platelets from the blood then injects the medicine into the affected site in the body to speed up healing of a torn ligament for example.. i saw an interesting statement in wt online site saying or implying that sub major components might be a personal decision and also using one’s own blood may be a personal decision, if i understood the information correctly..

Fisherman

I'd guess that PRP therapy acceptable to JWs, would probably require the collection apparatus to remain connected to the patient throughout the procedure (?)

Well, I know that was the understanding. But the articles I posted say nothing about that. Basically, one says using your own blood is a personal choice. The other one says using small amounts of one’s major component sometimes processed is a allowed. Nothing is said about prohibition of non processed small amounts of major components. Clearly whole blood from a donor is forbidden whereas autologous blood is not so clear which I conclude means personal choice unless I am wrong.

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What Will JW's Do If They Find Themselves Still Conscious after Death?

by Sea Breeze in

we all know that despite many scriptures to the contrary, jw's believe that when they die, their consciousness will cease.

my question is this: what will be the likely reaction of jw's if they find themselves conscious after death?.

Fisherman

The Bible speaks of a consciousness after death,

No it doesn’t