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  July 2023 Study Watchtower - Great Tribulation is coming soooooooooooooon!

  by BoogerMan in

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  is this the "great tribulation" which jesus warned he would bring upon the corrupt christian congregations worldwide, (revelation 2:22; 7:14) or is it the same 1st century g.t.

  which he said would never occur again?

  (matthew 24:21).

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  when Jesus said there wouldn't be time to climb down from roof. Neither time to go home to get clothes.

  The Jews had years to leave Jerusalem after the Romans retreated, only they didn’t know it and neither did they know that the Romans would with certainty return. That’s why Jesus had told his Apostles on the Mount of Olives 33 years earlier, “Let the reader use discernment.” and “ “Heaven and earth will pass away but my words will never pass away.” According to Josephus, the clever merchants abandoned Jerusalem like “rats from a sinking ship” after the Romans retreated from the first siege because the wise merchants knew for sure that the Romans would return. All of this and the Jewish zealots pursued Cestius and his army as they retreated from Gibeon and Aijelon imploring Jehovah for the “sun and moon to stand still”. But Jehovah had abandoned them as they triumphantly fought. “Look your house is abandoned to you you.” The Jews had so flagrantly disregarded Jesus with little account believing that Jehovah belonged to them. Deluded with victory and peace and freedom, they fought against the Romans and business as usual with their ordinary lives. “…you did not discern the time of your being inspected.” —Luke 19:44
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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

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  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  Remove the turban, and take off the crown. This will not remain the same. Raise up the low one, and bring low the high one

  the Most High is Ruler in the kingdom of mankind and that he gives it to whomever he wants, and he sets up over it even the lowliest of men.”
  

  and seven times will pass over you, until you know that the Most High is Ruler in the kingdom of mankind and that he grants it to whomever he wants
  

  • And they will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled.
  • • 32This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father,33and he will rule as King over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end to his Kingdom.”
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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  HI Ozz,

  Another ironic coincidence. I was watching Columbo episode “Carsini Wine” when you posted Cheers.
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  July 2023 Study Watchtower - Great Tribulation is coming soooooooooooooon!

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  is this the "great tribulation" which jesus warned he would bring upon the corrupt christian congregations worldwide, (revelation 2:22; 7:14) or is it the same 1st century g.t.

  which he said would never occur again?

  (matthew 24:21).

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  How is soon defined? months, year, years, decade, decades, 50 years, less than a century, or longer. Or does soon mean something else? What should a person conclude when they read soon?
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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  Jeffro keeps reasserting his already debunked argument by “Scholar”. Reasserting his mistaken belief doesn’t validate it.
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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  The said scholar has not only read it from cover to cover but he has studied it.

  Many years ago, in all objectivity and fairness so did I so did I but I wasn’t persuaded. I wasn’t convinced. I don’t think it is possible for wt to be wrong about a 70 year desolation ending in 537.

  
  
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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  then why does the other 70 years have to be a full 70 years? It didn’t make any sense. So I gave up

  I am amazed that such a remarkably intelligent man couldn’t understand something so simple.

  The decree was 70 years. Zion was the 70 year subject but other nations would also be included coming under subjugation at different points in time of the 70 year desolation of Judah which was God’s target. The premise that everybody had to serve an entire 70 years because Judah had to and because other nations didn’t have to then neither did Judah is false. I know that the respected poster SBJ understands.
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  Just read that Carl Olof Jonsson died yesterday

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for newbies, who was carl olof jonsson?

  he was a jw in sweden who was challenged by a householder in the 1960s, who pointed out to him that secular history books don’t agree with watchtower that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, but instead place the event 20 years later.

  the reason the date is important is because it is the starting date for jw chronology which leads to 1914 as the end of the gentile times, and the beginning of the last days, as jws understand it.

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  586 is interpretation and may be liked like the theory of evolution ( not saying that the comparison is congruent) but 539 is a historical fact. There are 2 schools of thought but wt 607 based on Bible interpretation is also valid. And there are solid reasons to conclude that the land lay desolate 70 years to pay back it’s Sabbaths. Archeology has not debunked wt 607. It stands same as creation. There is a great thread on this forum where “Scholar”argues against the interpretation of the stele that suggest 586. Wt has published as sbf highlights that wt is fallible but that doesn’t mean wt is equivocating on 607. We’ll see what happens sooner or latter.

  My sympathy to the loved ones of COJ.
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  1975 on the back burner

  by Fisherman in

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  “1975” still marks 6000 years from the creation of adam in wt calendar.

  according to “all scriptures inspired” book, there is a gap between the creation of adam and the creation of eve and her marriage to adam.

  it was at that point in time when eve was created that marked the end of the 6th creative day and the beginning of god’s rest, the 7th day as recorded in genesis.

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  Genesis 5:3 claims Adam was 130 when Seth was born

  I don’t follow what you mean by that.
  
  
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  Nisan 14 or not?

  by LostintheFog1999 in

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  if jesus memorial meal is meant to follow on from the jewish passover celebration, would someone explain to me why the jehovah's witness community are holding their "lord's evening meal" on tuesday 4th april; when the jewish community are not holding their 2023 passover until the 5th april 2023?

  doesn't this mean that the jehovahs have got their date wrong?.

  https://www.londonworld.com/read-this/passover-2023-what-is-passover-dates-and-greetings-4091833.

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  your reason seems to be more of a desire to harmonize JW teaching

  How?

  Jewish calendar I linked shows the last supper was celebrated on Thursday Nisan 13 evening( Nisan 14 morning) and not on Friday Nisan 14 evening ( Nisan 15 Morning). I’ve also cited Ibn Ezra.