Posts by Fisherman

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Should a person die for their religious BELIEFS?

by Fisherman in

in ancient israel many of the prophets were killed as a result of their religious assignments —from god.

even soldiers were sent out to fight against idolatrous “uncircumcised” and logically some died for example jonathan, the son of king saul.

these soldiers were said to be fighting the wars of jehovah and there was no miraculous salvation for everybody all of the time.

Fisherman

Hi vid,

“I might be wrong.”

That was my point. In the Bible examples, they knew (given their historicity.)

Cofty,

Bronze Age and Iron Age myths.

The only king of Israel that there is archeological evidence about is king Jehu. The British Museum has an ancient stone table about him with the king of Assyria at the time. So, that is not a myth, for example. Given the authenticity of the Bible, those historical figures were required to die in their service to God: “He who loves his soul, loses it.” Abraham and Issac’s obedience, their belief, was based on empirical evidence from God.They knew for a fact God existed. They knew for a fact that their obedience till death was commanded to them by God. They knew that it was required by God but as it turned out nobody died. But how would a person know today when God requires them to die? They would have to know God exists and they would have to know that the perilous conduct is a command from God in order to be able to chose to “obey God as ruler”.

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Should a person die for their religious BELIEFS?

by Fisherman in

in ancient israel many of the prophets were killed as a result of their religious assignments —from god.

even soldiers were sent out to fight against idolatrous “uncircumcised” and logically some died for example jonathan, the son of king saul.

these soldiers were said to be fighting the wars of jehovah and there was no miraculous salvation for everybody all of the time.

Fisherman

In ancient Israel many of the prophets were killed as a result of their religious assignments —from God. Even soldiers were sent out to fight against idolatrous “uncircumcised” and logically some died for example Jonathan, the son of king Saul. These soldiers were said to be fighting the wars of Jehovah and there was no miraculous salvation for everybody all of the time.

Jesus also died as a result of his mission and his ministry and so did the Apostles. They could have avoided their lives being cut short. And later on Christian converts were persecuted and put to death. In fact Jesus warned that Christians should expect persecution. So, we have all these Bible examples of religious people that died for their religious beliefs. Should these religious people have chosen to die for their religious beliefs?

There is a distinction, however, between: A clear command from God or from his proxy JC ( and delegates:)“We must obey God as ruler rather than men.” “Fear not those that kill the body but cannot destroy the soul.” and an interpretation, belief or view of what a scripture means or how it applies —subject to error.

So when a person reads the Bible today, how would he know for sure what a Bible verse means or applies that GOD requires him to die for a religious belief ?

We need to distinguish though a religious belief that is a command from God that must be obeyed even when threatened with death ( given that such commands exist) and the right to practice and identify with a religion whatever your beliefs are for example in Russia the government comes along and goes after the JW for their religious practices and JW as a people are not going to stop practicing their religion or identifying as JW. And this is different because an individual would not want renounce his religious belief and practices and identity and they look to God for their existence and they are going to do what they feel is right whether or not they are being forced to stop,

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Luke 23:43 the NWT

by Ade in

luke 23:43 - and jesus said to him, "positively i say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.

nwt places comma here , giving a totally different meaning to the verse.

now the average jw uses this to back their doctrine and it seems in itself virtually impossible to reason with them on it.

Fisherman

People worry about commas and ignore the greater understanding of what dead is.

Irrelevant. Jesus did not ascend into heaven until much later after his resurrection( John 20:17) so it is axiomatic that the evil doer did not go to heaven or paradise that day.

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The G.B. are now going to be EQUAL with Christ in heaven!!!!

by BoogerMan in

they are not just going to be "joint kings and priests," oh no, because the latest washtowel is sneakily implying that they will be "joint kings and high priests.

october 2023 study watchtower p. 28, par.

13 - "after jesus was resurrected, he entered the most holy of the spiritual temple, where all the anointed eventually join him.".

Fisherman

Viq

Thanks for v21.

Jesus gives back the kingdom to God; nothing is said about his co-rulers who axiomatically follow suit although they throw their crowns of everlasting life at God’s feet.

I never thought in terms of partnership although the kings of Israel are described as Jesus’s companions ( nwt changed translation from partners to companions) I don’t think Jesus is a partner-in the sense of the word -with God on rulership because God is ruler and gives all authority to Jesus. That relationship would be similar to a proxy or power of attorney and not a partner. Also, a partner has a will of its own whereas Jesus is doing God’s will in ruling as the Messianic king so that is not a partnership. The Messianic kingdom by the way is everlasting, having no end (poetically). It is only because Jesus voluntarily , sua sponte gives back the kingdom to God.

Thinking in terms of a husband and wife relationship in a perfect marriage both equally care for their home and children with the same authority. They are co-rulers in their role as parents and in caring for their home. Partners sort of speak. But Thayer equivocates in describing the Messianic kingdom as a partnership. V21 is not describing a partnership. Jesus role as king of God’s kingdom is not partnership with God and neither is the Messianic kingdom rule. GOD rules through the Messianic kingdom that does God’s will.

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The G.B. are now going to be EQUAL with Christ in heaven!!!!

by BoogerMan in

they are not just going to be "joint kings and priests," oh no, because the latest washtowel is sneakily implying that they will be "joint kings and high priests.

october 2023 study watchtower p. 28, par.

13 - "after jesus was resurrected, he entered the most holy of the spiritual temple, where all the anointed eventually join him.".

Fisherman

We know that the Bible says that Jesus’ Apostles will be with him in heaven as the bride of Christ. Let’s say that symbolically that relationship is like that of Adam and Eve when God brought Eve to Adam. Although she was a complement of Adam, it is debatable that Eve was Adam’s equal. But in the joint heirs aspect of the Seed Prophecy, it appears that Jesus shares the Messianic Kingdom rule jointly with the “Heirs of the Promise.” That prophecy applies to some entity. JW “anointed” profess to be that entity.

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Luke 23:43 the NWT

by Ade in

luke 23:43 - and jesus said to him, "positively i say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.

nwt places comma here , giving a totally different meaning to the verse.

now the average jw uses this to back their doctrine and it seems in itself virtually impossible to reason with them on it.

Fisherman

I skimmed through all the posts but didn’t read them in detail. The Bible says that Jesus was dead for 3 days so obviously the NWT comma is in the right place because Jesus did not go to paradise that day.

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JW current stance on Vaccines?

by lcarter017 in

it came to my attention that the covid-19 vaccine works by editing the genetic code of the mitochondrial dna, using gene therapy.. you should seriously question the moral implications of allowing a part of your dna to be modified.

does anyone have any concerns about this?if anyone has any questions, i can do my best to explain.

i personally find it very suspicious how they chose to word it, and conveniently inform us of this fact "after" people have taken the vaccine..

Fisherman

This is why I’m PIMA.

You mean you never knew Jehovah?

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JW current stance on Vaccines?

by lcarter017 in

it came to my attention that the covid-19 vaccine works by editing the genetic code of the mitochondrial dna, using gene therapy.. you should seriously question the moral implications of allowing a part of your dna to be modified.

does anyone have any concerns about this?if anyone has any questions, i can do my best to explain.

i personally find it very suspicious how they chose to word it, and conveniently inform us of this fact "after" people have taken the vaccine..

Fisherman

TD

What do you think?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3926731/

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Lots of empty seats at Jehovah's Witnesses Convention in Tucson, Arizona

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

https://youtu.be/5926nhzyz90.

the jehovah's witness 2023 convention theme is, ''exercise patience''...by looking at the attendance at this tucson, arizona convention, it should be changed to, '' jehovah's witnesses...running out of patience''.

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Fisherman

WTC wanted to utilize the Assembly Halls to the maximum extent possible and avoid paying higher fees for Rental facilities, which more and more they were having to do

There was a time food was provided for a contribution ( sold) and parking contributions and contributions and all and all was financially advantageous. Obviously it became an expense not only because people could no longer afford but also the tax laws.

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Tried unwitnessing at LDS carts today

by joe134cd in

i was walking through a market today, and spotted lds cart witnessing.

so i thought, what the hell, i’ll give him a go.

i focused on the character of joe smith.

Fisherman

The practice of polygamy is strictly prohibited in the Church, as it has been for over 120 years

Too bad for them because that is the only interesting thing about the church they had going. LOL