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  At what point, does one become apostate to the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  at what point does a jehovah’s witness cease to be a jehovah’s witness?

  what if a witness doesn't believe some of the official teachings of the governing body but remains silent on these subjects to avoid being disfellowshipped?

  is he or she an apostate to the faith?

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  To JW, after you are adjudicated by a JC.
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  Did anyone really enjoy assemblies?

  by SydBarrett in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the twickenham post made me think of this.

  i have a few jw family members on facebook and being summertime, their pics of the convention have shown up in my fb feed.

  along with their comments about "i wished it would never end" or "what a glorious weekend".

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  who reached an old age you told them they’d ‘never see in this system’ feel better?? I don’t think you can.

  Let’s say the timing is wrong. Is everything the Bible says about the resurrection and eternal life lies?
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  My report from the "trying my patience" DC

  by nowwhat? in

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  embedded in the cleveland ohio convention.

  pre covid attendance was always 7k+ this year 4500.. 37baptised mixed bag.

  less then half were children.. as far as patience goes, it can certainly help you be a better person when dealing with others but needless to say, this having patience waiting for jehovah is pure b.s.!

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  Possibilities

  If inconsequential, who cares. If it is going to hurt somehow,it is important to know.
  
  
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  My report from the "trying my patience" DC

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  embedded in the cleveland ohio convention.

  pre covid attendance was always 7k+ this year 4500.. 37baptised mixed bag.

  less then half were children.. as far as patience goes, it can certainly help you be a better person when dealing with others but needless to say, this having patience waiting for jehovah is pure b.s.!

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  Or it ain't his organization so he doesn't act

  That is a personal conclusion. Like when Jesus asked his disciple who they thought he was. Till this day Jews don’t believe he is the son of God. Also, Jesus didn’t go around telling people who he was but allowed people to believe whatever they like.

  But as you said, of JW is God’s agency, God must act.

  
  
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  My report from the "trying my patience" DC

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  embedded in the cleveland ohio convention.

  pre covid attendance was always 7k+ this year 4500.. 37baptised mixed bag.

  less then half were children.. as far as patience goes, it can certainly help you be a better person when dealing with others but needless to say, this having patience waiting for jehovah is pure b.s.!

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  What did God do when his favoured nation Israel got out of line and wouldn’t straighten up?

  He got other people to run the show. So, suppose individuals were doing things wrong inside his org, God should see to it that they are removed.
  
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  Seven Reasons Why Jehovah's Witnesses Are Leaving Their Religion.

  by Hairyhegoat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  these are good comments to consider enjoy!.

  jehovah's witnesses who leave their religion, do so for many different reasons.

  here are seven.. watchtower prophecies and dates for armageddon have failed repeatedly.

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  1 They want to get involved in forbidden conduct.

  2 They get angry, or stumbled, or fed up with how they are being dealt with unfairly.

  3 They get tired and just want to stay home.

  And that’s about it.
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  Did anyone really enjoy assemblies?

  by SydBarrett in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the twickenham post made me think of this.

  i have a few jw family members on facebook and being summertime, their pics of the convention have shown up in my fb feed.

  along with their comments about "i wished it would never end" or "what a glorious weekend".

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  From an empiricist point of view, remarkable coincidences time and time again at the conventions made going enjoyable and the book releases, some dramas, talks from old gb, listening for hints about the GT, looking at attractive opposite sex and searching for a mate, the experience of JW fellowship and closeness to God. Inspite of hours and hours of sitting down and listening and waiting for the program to be over, the heat, the unbearable humidity with rain and sweat and discomfort. An assignment made the time go faster. Im talking about the large conventions. It was an experience and you had friends and socialized and new members got baptized, they served food.

  I honesty have to say that this last Patience convention was well done—take what you want out of it but it was easy to listen to and they kept your attention.

  You also have to look at conventions as worship. JW worship involves listening to discourses aka talks and not rituals jumping up and down mumbo jumbo prayers.
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  Only baptised JWs will make it?

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

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  i think it was a john cedars video or someone else’s where the point was brought up that only baptised jws will be saved?

  then one talk about kids of baptised jws hope they will make it but even them don’t know.

  most jws probably think that some good people who are not baptised may make it through, but this is not official teaching?.

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  and still living at home

  If DF would have to kick him out or resign as elder. If never baptized, it depends. But if living a debauched life would have to kick him out.
  
  
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  Should a person die for their religious BELIEFS?

  by Fisherman in

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  in ancient israel many of the prophets were killed as a result of their religious assignments —from god.

  even soldiers were sent out to fight against idolatrous “uncircumcised” and logically some died for example jonathan, the son of king saul.

  these soldiers were said to be fighting the wars of jehovah and there was no miraculous salvation for everybody all of the time.

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  veracity of Yahweh.

  Not Yahweh but Yehova —See commentaries by the scholar, Nehemiah Gordon.

  Jesus used poetic language (Paratherisis) to describe the obvious striking proof that people rejected because they didn’t like it. Legally speaking, such rejection did not invalidate the evidence and what God modestly required people to conclude from the evidence.

  real Scottish policeman.

  The Museum tablet has a drawing of king Jehu with the king of Assyria along with other historical people of the time.
  
  
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  Should a person die for their religious BELIEFS?

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in ancient israel many of the prophets were killed as a result of their religious assignments —from god.

  even soldiers were sent out to fight against idolatrous “uncircumcised” and logically some died for example jonathan, the son of king saul.

  these soldiers were said to be fighting the wars of jehovah and there was no miraculous salvation for everybody all of the time.

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  Hi vid,

  “I might be wrong.”

  That was my point. In the Bible examples, they knew (given their historicity.)

  Cofty,

  Bronze Age and Iron Age myths.

  The only king of Israel that there is archeological evidence about is king Jehu. The British Museum has an ancient stone table about him with the king of Assyria at the time. So, that is not a myth, for example. Given the authenticity of the Bible, those historical figures were required to die in their service to God: “He who loves his soul, loses it.” Abraham and Issac’s obedience, their belief, was based on empirical evidence from God.They knew for a fact God existed. They knew for a fact that their obedience till death was commanded to them by God. They knew that it was required by God but as it turned out nobody died. But how would a person know today when God requires them to die? They would have to know God exists and they would have to know that the perilous conduct is a command from God in order to be able to chose to “obey God as ruler”.