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  Living as Christians at the C.L.A.M this week

  by Truthexplorer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this weeks meeting under the section - living as 'christians', starts off with 'repentance makes a difference', which is a talk given by an elder taken from w06 11/15 27-28 par 7-9. in a nut shell it discusses those who have been disfellowshipped and then show repentance.

  it then goes on to discuss reinstatement and how a certain amount of time must pass by before this can take place.

  it makes the following point in the paragraph.. 'a disfellowshipped person is not automatically accepted back into the congregation after a certain amount of time has passed.

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  If Watchtower leadership commits a grievious error, they are not punished nor do they face any consequences."

  If they commit a sin they face the same consequences as any John Pub would.
  
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  Living as Christians at the C.L.A.M this week

  by Truthexplorer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this weeks meeting under the section - living as 'christians', starts off with 'repentance makes a difference', which is a talk given by an elder taken from w06 11/15 27-28 par 7-9. in a nut shell it discusses those who have been disfellowshipped and then show repentance.

  it then goes on to discuss reinstatement and how a certain amount of time must pass by before this can take place.

  it makes the following point in the paragraph.. 'a disfellowshipped person is not automatically accepted back into the congregation after a certain amount of time has passed.

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  the current thinking is to DF and then reinstate

  Although elders are given the power of discretion in JC decisions, they also must follow guidelines, in other words they must df under certain circumstances although it would appear that the person repented. For example, a person comes back to the KH after 16 years and confesses he joined the army, killed a couple of hundred people, married a couple of times but now is living with someone different, abuses drugs, tobacco, alcohol, and steals, and now he repented and wants to be accepted in the community after 16 years of being away. But he confesses, he did not get snagged. Have we got news for this fellow! Well, he has to stop what he was doing, come to meetings, wait 6 months or longer and then he can request to be reinstated.-But in the mean time....... - Sometimes there is a reason other than true repentance for a confession and that reason may not be determined at the hearing so confession does not secure that the sinner will not be DF.
  

  Say a person is a first offender that has been practicing sexual immorality for years and now he confesses and wants to come clean. That person could be shown mercy and publicly R at the discretion of the committee. Or maybe he committed adultery or some other unholy act or even practiced it ,he could also only be publRe. but it depends. Sometimes a person confessed because he got snagged and is shown mercy anyway.

  With repeat offenders, and someone that was PR before and has not stopped has shown that he is not repentant and therefore, this time...... But the rule is not to df and then reinstate. The rule is that is is better to make a mistake and show mercy given that it fall within the guidelines of that case. But if a person commits a gross sin and immediately confesses, that is proof right there that the person is repentant. And he should not be DF inspite of other disciplinary actions taken against him.
  

  A JC is not about acquitting someone or finding alleged sinner guilty although guilt must be established before there is any basis for taking judicial action (But if you have come this far, you are guilty I bet) It is about the person's heart and whether he is repentant.

  If you are a male JW, you are through. It does not matter whether you are DF or reproved especially if you are and elder or leader. You lost your respect and you will never recover. True you can be appointed elder in time and time heals all wounds but face it, you are disgraced and things will never be the same again .
  

  If you are a female it is hard enough finding a mate if you are a sister in the org. Many sister never find mates. Now, who would want to get yoked with a problematic sister that was dF given better choices?
  

  Bottom line is that it makes some difference whether you are DF or PR but not much. Both get disciplined and disgraced. When it does make a big difference is if your immediate JW family are unbalanced. Certain conduct cannot be tolerated from people living with you -JW or not so- and saying DF is harsh should not be used as a pretext so you can do whatever the heck you want in relation to your immediate relatives and expect to be treated the same. But everything considered JW family members need to be kind to DF family members if they want to help them.

  NOTE: My remarks above are only about the human consequences of DF and does not address the "spiritual" aspect, etc.. of DF.
  
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  How will the Watchtower Cult end?

  by WireRider in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  some announcement of sorts?.

  there are all kinds of conspiracy theories.

  their head count and time cards are all faked by the gb, and "congregations".

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  How will the Watchtower Cult end?

  That will never happen. JW claim that they know that there is a human element which is part of the WT org. inspite of it being "God's org." JW is a community of many millions all over the world.. They are JW not because of the WT org but because they conclude that they have a relationship with God and they also conclude that God drew them to the WT and uses the WT to unite them and direct them regardless of any WT blunders.And even seeming WT blunders were something that God allowed to happen. Think of the worst possible scenario that could befall the WT org. JW would not loose their faith over it. Nothing, it is impossible for anything to change what JW believe that they know, individuals yes but not the core of the JW people. They trust in God inspite of the WT being run by people. They stand firm and they are not budging. Of course if God does not come to the rescue then it will end with all religions as mankind enters the end of religion era. But never let it cross your mind that JW will end and survived by all the other religions. That will never happen.
  
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  Living as Christians at the C.L.A.M this week

  by Truthexplorer in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this weeks meeting under the section - living as 'christians', starts off with 'repentance makes a difference', which is a talk given by an elder taken from w06 11/15 27-28 par 7-9. in a nut shell it discusses those who have been disfellowshipped and then show repentance.

  it then goes on to discuss reinstatement and how a certain amount of time must pass by before this can take place.

  it makes the following point in the paragraph.. 'a disfellowshipped person is not automatically accepted back into the congregation after a certain amount of time has passed.

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  evidence that he has repented and is producing 'works that befit repentance'

  It means going to the meetings for 6 months or more and to stop what you were doing that got you df. -But the elders look for evidence of God's Holy Spirit
  
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  Fishing and JW's???

  by lurkernomore in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i was just reading a thread and came across a completely new jw 'rule', that of not being allowed to go fishing!..

  at least it's new to me as i always enjoyed fishing as did others in my old congregation.

  anyone else heard of this or had this imposed on them in they're jw lives?.

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  The WT position is that it is not proper for a christian to hunt or fish for sport, but they leave it up to the conscience of the person. But they do not teach that it is wrong to fish or hunt for business or food. But they teach that it is a sin to be cruel to animals.
  
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  Infighting at the top?

  by JeffT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we've all been trying to decipher what is going on at the top of the watchtower organization.

  clearly, the game's afoot, we just don't know what game we're playing.

  item: the constant harping about money and donations.

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  only the top 7 JW's are allowed to disagree about anything.

  Is that how you think? I do not think that the "disagreement" comes from the GB among themselves. There are other powerful and solid old time non anointed players and other not so old but very solid (spiritual ) players. Do you really think that the GB are the only minds running the show? Voicing disagreement is allowed (disagreement) and disagreement is also seen by attitude. What is not allowed is disobedience and opposition. The GB comes to an agreement and implement direction but there are other players and everyone should be pulling in the same direction and when they don't it's because of disagreement. It is not about the GB out of the clear blue sky dictating direction, there is more.
  
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  Infighting at the top?

  by JeffT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  we've all been trying to decipher what is going on at the top of the watchtower organization.

  clearly, the game's afoot, we just don't know what game we're playing.

  item: the constant harping about money and donations.

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  We've all been trying to decipher what is going on at the top of the Watchtower organization.

  The era of the charismatic GB is gone. The beloved and respected and awed old timers are no more. It appears that the new generation of leaders at the very top just do not have the same influence over their fellow contemporary subordinates and JW pubs in general as the beloved old timer heavies that are gone once did. And it does not seem that JWS want to gear up for another couple of hundred years of invisible rule and preaching and developing the org. which seems to be the case. It was a very strategical move for JW to sell all the high profile expensive properties ( or risk loosing them ) and lay low upstate.
  

  It is a new era in JW history ( a century+ after 1914 ) and the JW leaders want people to move on from the past and have a new frame of mind but a lot of people wanted the status quo as still do as they wait for the end to realize, and not to move on with all of the implemented changes.There should be disagreement at the very top between the younger anointed leaders and same age and older subordinate non anointed leaders because the awe from such non anointed leaders is not there.

  Change is not new with the WT. Lots of changes through out the years. But these new changes are monumental. Changing the music and the meetings also changes the experience of worship one felt and related to. .
  
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  The new service meeting

  by John Aquila in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i wanted to relate an experience that happened this morning.

  it is regarding the new format for the meeting on thursdays in my area.

  its not word for word but im summarizing what i heard, the best i can remember.

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  It is a longer meeting and announcements are at the end of the meeting. By the end of the meeting people are tired and just want to go home and the excitement one had at the beginning of the meetings to hear news is gone. Announcements were something to look forward to during the meeting. It also served as a a mental break from the program and gave people a little extra energy for the rest of the program.
  
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  I almost died laughing at the meeting last night. OMG WTF is going on? Have I been away this long?

  by macys in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok so most of you guys know already that i am going through the reinstatement process for my parents but i do have a partially sinister plan which i will not mention here since someone told me that there are b-lites that read boards like this.

  last night and it was the funniest experience i have ever seen.

  besides that the brother doing the sound and video screwed up the whole thing when showing the videos and it took 3 brothers to fix it after 10 minutes, the whole thing was a joke.

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  re-edit the entire video with a new/substitute actor

  It would be easy in the vid if they had to slip in a different voice because the person behind the voice in the vid got df.
  

  On TV when they canned Dick York and slipped in Dick Sergeant (same first name,) they thought that nobody would notice the difference. But they did!
  
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  Half of the cong was dancing last night

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so went to the meeting last night.

  i had not been to one since before the holiday break (3 weeks ago).

  besides, it was our first meeting in the new format.

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  At the gilead grad years ago the mex bros would yelp like indians but the wt stopped it. Not proper conduct at the hall or meetings.