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  What were Satan and his demons "doing" up in heaven, before being "cast down" in 1914?

  by Dunedain in

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  i was just thinking about how the wts has been spouting off for years that satan and his demons were cast down to the vicinity of the earth in 1914, but really, when you think about it, what was the difference before 1914 or after 1914?.

  its not like satan and his demons did not have access to the earth.

  satan and his demons always were messing with earth.

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  good point. It is not like the demons dominated the heavens before 1914

  Try living in the same house with vermin.
  
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  What were Satan and his demons "doing" up in heaven, before being "cast down" in 1914?

  by Dunedain in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was just thinking about how the wts has been spouting off for years that satan and his demons were cast down to the vicinity of the earth in 1914, but really, when you think about it, what was the difference before 1914 or after 1914?.

  its not like satan and his demons did not have access to the earth.

  satan and his demons always were messing with earth.

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  Whether or not what the Bible records is true or whether or not 1914 is the date when war broke out in the heavens does not change that the Bible says so.

  without Gods approval???

  There is a difference between allowing something to happen and approving of something to happen because you do not stop it. You can think of some examples on your own (if you can think.) But here is one example: You discover that your house has become infected with cockroaches. You can immediately set fire to your house or you can call an exterminator and wait until he comes over and wages war with those little devils -either way the roaches' activities ain't your will.

  Whether or not something seems crazy to you, or you whether or not you understand it from your your point of view or from the facts that you have at hand does not change if from being true if it happens to be the case. You just do not know.

  What did Jesus mean in the Lord's prayer? He certainly did not mean that he approved of any of Satan's activities on earth or in heaven.

  Surely there could have been a better way.

  Maybe you should be God and do things your way or in a way that suits YOU. There are a lot of factors at play that make up the nature of reality. Maybe if you were God, you would not have created roaches to begin with? Sounds smart to you? But you are not God, and God in his Al-mightiness and All Knowingness surely has his reasons for doing things the way he pleases.
  
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  What were Satan and his demons "doing" up in heaven, before being "cast down" in 1914?

  by Dunedain in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was just thinking about how the wts has been spouting off for years that satan and his demons were cast down to the vicinity of the earth in 1914, but really, when you think about it, what was the difference before 1914 or after 1914?.

  its not like satan and his demons did not have access to the earth.

  satan and his demons always were messing with earth.

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  The Lord's prayer, spoken in the first century by Jesus, is an acknowledgement that God's will had already been completed in heaven.

  That is your interpretation and conclusion. I disagree that God's will was being done in heaven in an absolute sense before Satan is kicked out and that event had not occured when Jesus uttered those words. Compare Rev 1:1 (soon) with Rev 12:7,8. It was not God's will (for one thing) for Satan to reside in heaven, (his activities there, converting angels to demons, etc.and as my previous post explains) and that is why God had him kicked out. In a relative sense, God's will was being done on earth when Jesus prayed to God for the cup to pass him but it did not as it was also being done in heaven when God manipulated events so that Jesus could come to earth and save mankind. God's will is being done in heaven in an absolute sense when God becomes king and that happens after Jesus died loyal, is resurrected, exalted, becomes the Messianic king in heaven and that had not happened when Jesus said the Lords prayer. The basis of ousting Satan if you take the time to read the book of Revelation is the blood of the lamb and there was no basis when Jesus said the Lords prayer because the Lamb had not died faithful to God yet. READ REv 12:10

  Anyway, that is what it seems to me. Just my opinion.
  
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  What were Satan and his demons "doing" up in heaven, before being "cast down" in 1914?

  by Dunedain in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was just thinking about how the wts has been spouting off for years that satan and his demons were cast down to the vicinity of the earth in 1914, but really, when you think about it, what was the difference before 1914 or after 1914?.

  its not like satan and his demons did not have access to the earth.

  satan and his demons always were messing with earth.

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  Great post! Very thought provoking!

  I think that you mean: “What is Satan and demons doing in heaven before he is kicked out of there.”(It does not make any difference to your question when he is kicked out, 1914 or any other date.)

  Here is my opinion:

  Satan and his demon are resisting God’s will and his Holy Spirit in heaven. The war that broke out in heaven shows that Satan is in opposition to God in heaven.

  Seems that Satan (I also mean his demons also) has God given power and authority that God entrusted to him when he was a Holy angel and he continued to exercise it, in opposition to God until the war takes place, the time when God kicks him out. In the Bible, Satan is referred to as the god of this world and the ruler of this world in connection with the earth. This title (god) describes Satan’s great power and authority and ruler ship and will over the earth and humanity, but such great power (god) can only be held from heaven. After the war in heaven when he is cast down to earth (whatever that means literally since he continues to exist in a spirit realm - but not in heaven,) heaven is secure and God can operate from there without opposition and Satanic presence (what a relief for all the angels-and for God.)

  So, what was Satan doing in heaven? Satan had been entrusted with power and authority when he was a holy angel, (same as when a Sovereign entrusts some entity with delegated power, nuclear or otherwise, and then the empowered trustee turns on the Sovereign to achieve his own means or he tries to take over in opposition to the Sovereign; his time will come when he will be stopped, no doubt about that, but in the meantime he causes a lot of harm and damage while he is in power.) he continued to use that power and authority in opposition to God until the time came when he was dealt with, that time is the war with Michael.
  
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  It is the thought that counts

  by Fisherman in

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  spain was one of those countries that was more catholic than the pope.

  and back in medieval times people had no choice but to go to mass and confession and be good catholics –or else.

  anyway, back in them days, in spain, when someone went to confess their sins to a priest, it was face to face.

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  kaik, your avitar does not dignify your intelligence. My humble opinion.
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses' Brooklyn tax exemptions totaled $368 million

  by OrphanCrow in

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  jehovah's witnesses' brooklyn tax exemptions totaled $368 million.

  downtown brooklyn partnership ups its pressure on the tax-exempt organization to donate $50 million.

  the jehovah’s witnesses have been exempted from paying at least $368 million in taxes on their brooklyn real estate holdings over the last 12 years, according to an analysis by the downtown brooklyn partnership and consulting firm bjh advisers.

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  cappy, just quoting the other poster who called it that. Thought it was so funny. In all seriousness cap, call it anything at all but I am convinced it is God's org.
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses' Brooklyn tax exemptions totaled $368 million

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  jehovah's witnesses' brooklyn tax exemptions totaled $368 million.

  downtown brooklyn partnership ups its pressure on the tax-exempt organization to donate $50 million.

  the jehovah’s witnesses have been exempted from paying at least $368 million in taxes on their brooklyn real estate holdings over the last 12 years, according to an analysis by the downtown brooklyn partnership and consulting firm bjh advisers.

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  JWD, I never knew that. The other poster said donate. I did not understand why WT was even going to give them a dime. But again, as the poster said, we are giving up the properties and the city is going to make a good buck in taxes, so how I figure is that the city should be giving us the 5 million for leaving. Anyway, WT is pretty clever and if they wind up paying the 5mil ( I doubt it ) I'm sure it wont be coming out of their hide anyway.
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses' Brooklyn tax exemptions totaled $368 million

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  jehovah's witnesses' brooklyn tax exemptions totaled $368 million.

  downtown brooklyn partnership ups its pressure on the tax-exempt organization to donate $50 million.

  the jehovah’s witnesses have been exempted from paying at least $368 million in taxes on their brooklyn real estate holdings over the last 12 years, according to an analysis by the downtown brooklyn partnership and consulting firm bjh advisers.

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  The Borg offered 5 million

  Why should WT have to pay anything at all? That is a lot of hard earned sheep money.
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses' Brooklyn tax exemptions totaled $368 million

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  jehovah's witnesses' brooklyn tax exemptions totaled $368 million.

  downtown brooklyn partnership ups its pressure on the tax-exempt organization to donate $50 million.

  the jehovah’s witnesses have been exempted from paying at least $368 million in taxes on their brooklyn real estate holdings over the last 12 years, according to an analysis by the downtown brooklyn partnership and consulting firm bjh advisers.

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  Then companies in turn pay taxes on what the purchase.

  As you say, maybe. Also, in the USA nothing is 100 percent legal which means that gov can get you one way or another for something, and taxes is something that they can nail anybody for no matter how much someone tries to be honest.
  
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  It is the thought that counts

  by Fisherman in

  1. social
  2. humour

  spain was one of those countries that was more catholic than the pope.

  and back in medieval times people had no choice but to go to mass and confession and be good catholics –or else.

  anyway, back in them days, in spain, when someone went to confess their sins to a priest, it was face to face.

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  Spain was one of those countries that was more Catholic than the pope. And back in medieval times people had no choice but to go to mass and confession and be good Catholics –or else. Anyway, back in them days, in Spain, when someone went to confess their sins to a priest, it was face to face. The problem was that those Spanish priests were hot-blooded and lost their temper when they heard some of the sins people committed and the priest would sometimes hit or assault the person that was confessing his sins after hearing such a thing, or the sin was so bad that after the confession the sinner would get a beating from the priest -all was not lost, they worked it out.

  And so they invented the confession booth with the partition so that in the event that the priest wanted to hit the penitent, the partition would prevent him from doing so –but there was a catch. On the sinner’s side of the confessional, the church installed a box with a slot to put money in. (In them days there were no hail marys or our father for penance, a sinner had to pay for his sins and that was what that box with the slot was about.

  Anyway, getting back to the story, a certain man went to the church to confess his sins and goes inside the penitent side of the confession booth with the money box, to confess his sins to the Catholic priest, and after the preliminary mumbo jumbo, he starts to confess to the priest that he tried to have immoral sex with some woman and he tells the priest that was not able to – but the priest interrupts and tells him: “Yes my son, but you intended to and it is the thought that counts.” Hence, the priest fined the man a monetary sum that he had to insert into the box. But the box was designed for small Spanish gold coins that could fit through the small slot and this soon to be absolved sinner was of another race and country and the coins he had were silver and much larger than the slot and after several attempts to force the coin into the box, he was not able to. The priest waiting for the payment to fall through to his side of the kiosk asks him: What is the matter?” The man replied:” I am sorry, I tried, but it is the thought that counts, and the man walked away without sin.