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What was there before the Big Bang?
by Brokeback Watchtower in
1. watchtower
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuhj98vjoa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hik8hj0_t9q.
Fisherman

somehow you are qualified to critique the science.
Science fiction about what existed before the creation of the universe is not science.
No
How do you know?
There was no explosion
in terms of matter ( re:pressure temperature density), if no matter existed yet to explode, it did not, but in terms of expansion and dispersion of the contents of the universe suddenly doubling in size every fraction of a second, it is just a matter of semantics -but you are correct, according to what scientists think at this time describes the big bang, it was not an explosion in any physical sense as setting off a bomb. (this is a great point you made.)
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What was there before the Big Bang?
by Brokeback Watchtower in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuhj98vjoa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hik8hj0_t9q.
Fisherman

“nothing” is most often unstable. Not only can something arise from nothing, but most often the laws of physics require that to occur. - Lawrence Krauss
Depends on what is being referred to as "nothing." Krauss is a science fiction writer. He dreams about what existed before the universe was formed.
Did energy (matter) exist before the "big bang?"
Did location or space exist before the big bang?
Did time exist without space before the big bang?
What in the world exploded into the big bang?
Did any laws or information exist before the big bang?
Is there some primordial substance that is the source of of the universe and everything in it?
no one has scientific evidence that shows.........
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What was there before the Big Bang?
by Brokeback Watchtower in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuhj98vjoa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hik8hj0_t9q.
Fisherman

What about the idea that we have a mirror twin universe where the arrow of time is in reverse? Could be but how do you prove it?
Science Fiction... or the idea that the universe is only part of a bigger picture like cell is part of an organism.
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Another generation....
by joey jojo in
1. jw
2. experiences
it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.
Fisherman

Ucantnome : See WT 1/5 par 14-19 also WT 7/15
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What was there before the Big Bang?
by Brokeback Watchtower in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuhj98vjoa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hik8hj0_t9q.
Fisherman

....entropy...Rather, it means that "nothing" is inherently unstable and will always produce something. -CL
That is nonsense. How do you know that properties of substances and conditions and the laws that describe them in the universe also apply before its formation.
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What was there before the Big Bang?
by Brokeback Watchtower in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuhj98vjoa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hik8hj0_t9q.
Fisherman

Given: "The Big Bang"
Before the big bang, something (some substance) existed that exploded into the big bang.
The only thing that makes sense to me is that something must be eternal. That substance (something) is the cause and source of everything that exists.
In terms of the universe as we know it, before the big bang, nothing existed. That "nothing" can be described as or compared to something that was never born -it does not exist.
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What was there before the Big Bang?
by Brokeback Watchtower in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuhj98vjoa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hik8hj0_t9q.
Fisherman

Pure energy can linger eternally in time and not know it.
Energy is a (physical ) property of an object. If the "void" had some form of energy then the void and the energy that described it always existed, hence, something always existed. And that something cannot be called nothing.
Nothing is very easy to understand. It simply means non existent, no properties, no energy -nothing.
Void is a very deceptive term to use if used to describe non existence. The term void implies something more than non existent, perhaps a condition of emptiness or vacuum.
My guess is that at some point in time nothing existed, no energy, no void,
(By the way great posts!!) -as usual.
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Another generation....
by joey jojo in
1. jw
2. experiences
it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.
Fisherman

I can't see how they could change this. (1914)
I agree. As supported by the last big WT study article citing 3 lines of evidence, etc.. (paragraphs 14, 15,16 of that article)
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What was there before the Big Bang?
by Brokeback Watchtower in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpuhj98vjoa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hik8hj0_t9q.
Fisherman

Prologos: virtual energy
That would mean that some form of physical substance always existed, in other words, something always existed. I do not believe that. I believe that mass and energy had a beginning. I also believe that before that, nothing existed.
If it was a "singularity" that exploded as the big bang, where did it come from and where did its proscriptive or descriptive properties that define or govern its existence come from? I guess that my guess is as good as anyone's guess.
241
Another generation....
by joey jojo in
1. jw
2. experiences
it has been 21 years since the 1995 article that pretty much buried the idea of the '1914 generation'.. remember those guys?

the ones born in 1914 that would still be alive when the end of the system arrived.. i'm glad i'm old enough to remember going from door to door, preaching this belief.

the reason i say that is because i have a lot of 'still in' jw friends and family.
Fisherman

If they owned up and said "We were WRONG,
The wt has admitted that they were wrong about their expectations and interpretations about "generation" but they stand firm on 1914, parousia, last days, Gentile Times, great tribulation coming soon and survived by the great crowd..