Van compare Rev 7:9 with Rev. 7:14 vis-a- vis with 70. Only a couple of Christians fled in 66, and according to Josephus, also in 66, Jewish merchants also fled in 66 "like rats from a sinking ship" knowing that the Romans would be back. According to Jewish tradition, Rabbi Yochanan Ben Zakai and others came out of the tribulation and reestablished a non Temple based Judaism in Jamnia. None of these guys saw Jesus (every eye will see him) According to the verses I reference from Rev, all survivors from every tribe and nation mentioned in the verses, owe Salvation to Jesus Christ. That did not happen in 70. The surviving "Jamnina" based Jews of 70, owe their salvation to Vespasian - not Jesus- that is what they say.
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Great Tribulation and Trump
by TakeOffTheCrown inplease, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.
is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.
there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.
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Great Tribulation and Trump
by TakeOffTheCrown inplease, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.
is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.
there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.
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Van, why did you plaster the thread with cut and paste? All you need to do is to provide a link or a reference.
All the commentary you posted is erroneous interpretations having been debunked by wt commentary.
Luke 21:25,26. More than the destruction of Jerusalem is involved with the paraousia of Christ. Rev1:7
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Great Tribulation and Trump
by TakeOffTheCrown inplease, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.
is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.
there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.
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Van, do some research on google about nowdays "jewish" dna. Says 25- 55 percent and greater gentile ancestry from a few hundred middle eastern men and broad european nationality non jewish females that such men married and no doubt converted prior to marrying,
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Great Tribulation and Trump
by TakeOffTheCrown inplease, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.
is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.
there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.
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Van, Mathew 24:30 among other verses that entails more than 70.
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Great Tribulation and Trump
by TakeOffTheCrown inplease, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.
is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.
there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.
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The great tribulation being a one-time,non-repeatable event in history; a fairly local event affecting the Jews (this people) in and around Jerusalem and ultimately leading to their death or dispersion among the nations.
That is only an erroneous opinion.
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Great Tribulation and Trump
by TakeOffTheCrown inplease, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.
is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.
there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.
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As I stated earlier, it just doesn't fit.
And then, Jesus said he would return and every eye would see him, and separation of sheep and goats, etc. All these things did not happen in 70. Although the Bible does record that Jesus predicted the destruction of Jerusalem back then, there is no evidence that the gentile times mentioned in Luke ended in 70 CE. In fact, Jerusalem was trampled by the Roman armies - literally - back then. Everything in the Bible points to a culmination, Judgement Day for all nations, not just the Jews.
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Elders/Ex-Elders: Question about Blood
by JWdaughter inafter many years of objecting to the wt teachings on many levels, blood being one of them, i recently started to wonder (ok, i am slow!
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while i understand the context of the request that the apostle sent to the brothers, i do not understand what jws think they were abstaining from.. meat slaughtered improperly?.
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JWs eating any meat from a normal supermarket or butchers are therefore in conflict with the bible's law on blood.- cofty
1 Corinthians 10:25
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Great Tribulation and Trump
by TakeOffTheCrown inplease, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.
is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.
there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.
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Are you sure it wouldn't be drivel? Rhetoric
You have relics and sites from around the world that contradict the chronology of the Bible Conclusion Or how else does you explain going from 8 people in 2370 BCE to the Great Pyramid of Giza? Conclusion
How do you reconcile the relics from around Europe, Mexico, Argentina, China, and Australia that are tens of thousands of years old, conclusion some of which are even from the time around, before, and after the flood in places where the Bible's narrative would claim people should not yet be? Conclusion
How do you reconcile our genome and its 98% commonality with chimpanzees? How is this proof that contradicts the Bible.
How do you explain the voluminous fossils of Neanderthals, Flores Dwarves and other hominids? How about the Neanderthal genome? Prove they were not human.
And frankly, how are you not aware of the evidence contradicting the Bible's narrative? How do YOU explain the science of the Bible's narrative? (If you want JW commentary ('reconcile') you know where to look, no point in rehashing jw position on scientific speculation.)
This is all rhetoric and shifting the burden of proof back to me: 'How do you reconcile, etc'
All you need to show is anything verifiable that contradicts the bible. For example, proof such was running around during 2370 BCE? You have not done that.
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Great Tribulation and Trump
by TakeOffTheCrown inplease, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.
is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.
there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.
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I do not believe that what the Bible records is necessarily true, I gave my reasons why, and I don't care about the conditional logic in your statement.
Again, isn't the tie breaker proof from God?
You affirmatively asked and therefore proposed that God could provide proof even right now. Are you backtracking such a claim?
He does. I can't show you the proof coming from God, but you will need a ticket to get on the boat.
This is confirmation bias.
No, it isn't because having explained what my posts are about, they are not about proving anything to you.
This is regressive, ignorant, and a wee bit hypocritical if you put faith in the Bible.
Faith, the type described in the Bible, is only possible when based upon convincing evidence. (All of this stuff is in JW print and no point in rehashing everything.)
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And by way of a reminder, my posts show what convinces me that something is true and not what should convince you. More, or less may be enough to satisfy you.
If you can share verifiable evidence - not arguments, not conclusions, not speculatively based - that contradicts the Bible, I would love to see it.
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Great Tribulation and Trump
by TakeOffTheCrown inplease, let's discuss this subject without attacking one another.. it appears that trump has won a victory that no one expected.
is it possible that trump may play a part in the great tribulation?.
there are some who believe trump is one of the most unqualified of men to ever be elected president of the united states.
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I do not, and not without reason, etc...
You do not what? Again, I point out to you, error in your logic.
First of all, read again what I posted: 'Or don't you think that if what the Bible records about remarkable evidence from God in Bible times is true...'
then please do share the results. Will you do that for us?
I did and you wouldn't buy it. You want a "sign" and you are asking the wrong person. But my post is about what I know for a fact versus what I believe, and hopefully you will learn that believing that you know something is fact solely based upon the conclusions of others that you have read in a book, or even testimonial evidence from eyewitnesses is different from knowledge. Such knowledge is what JW proclaim to have - ever read a WT a JW book? The proof (which is what would satisfy you) comes from God not from JW -but you can believe your books and you can believe that JW beliefs are fallacious and you can belief whatever you choose to conclude about the Bible, all the evidence and "results" JW have to "share" - they publish. If you find flaw in it - that is all they have to show... Anyway, I said a lot in my posts. I have to mach schenell my leave on this topic. But in summary, all that I have said is that convincing verifiable proof comes from God -that is it.