But it is also fair to say that non-Islamic religions although not causing violence directly, they endorse it or cause it indirectly.
Fisherman
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I totally agree with this video about Islam
by ILoveTTATT2 inhttps://www.facebook.com/prageru/videos/1182232715152916/?hc_ref=newsfeedcan islam be reformed though?could it, for example, be accepted eventually that only the quran, and only the nice parts of it, need to be followed?how did judaism - the non- orthodox kind - become one of the most progressive and open of religions, considering their holy text is so violent?maybe that should be studied?.
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I totally agree with this video about Islam
by ILoveTTATT2 inhttps://www.facebook.com/prageru/videos/1182232715152916/?hc_ref=newsfeedcan islam be reformed though?could it, for example, be accepted eventually that only the quran, and only the nice parts of it, need to be followed?how did judaism - the non- orthodox kind - become one of the most progressive and open of religions, considering their holy text is so violent?maybe that should be studied?.
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Fisherman
Islam is also a political religion because Islamic government enforces Islamic laws. Jews are waiting for the Messiah to take "political" action while Islamic movements are seeking to take political action to cause change and that requires violence. The only way I see Islamics reform is if they become westernized and become less observant and see Islam in other term for practical reasons and figure that they do not need religion to control their lives, like in western countries. But that would need some catalyst.
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I totally agree with this video about Islam
by ILoveTTATT2 inhttps://www.facebook.com/prageru/videos/1182232715152916/?hc_ref=newsfeedcan islam be reformed though?could it, for example, be accepted eventually that only the quran, and only the nice parts of it, need to be followed?how did judaism - the non- orthodox kind - become one of the most progressive and open of religions, considering their holy text is so violent?maybe that should be studied?.
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How did Judaism - the non- orthodox kind - become one of the most progressive and open of religions, considering their holy text is so violent?
There is a textual basis for non-violence in both orthodox and non-orthodox religions. The Old Testament is not the only book Jews use, both Jewish movements use other books that interpret the OT in terms of non-violence In Islam however, there is the Koran and Hadith and violence is integrated into the religion (the more observant, the more violent) in our modern world. There are 1.6 billion Muslims There is no rank and file in Islam .How do you get all those people to reform? I can't see it being done from within in the modern world .
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Poll - Will you accept blood?
by OrphanCrow ini have made a poll to try to determine the impact of the wt's no blood policy on ex members.. if you are an exjw, please participate.. vote here:.
*oops...hang on here...i have to make a new poll...this one lets you vote more than once.
i will post the new one .
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Fisherman
dub, I am not required to reply. I can only listen if I want.
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Poll - Will you accept blood?
by OrphanCrow ini have made a poll to try to determine the impact of the wt's no blood policy on ex members.. if you are an exjw, please participate.. vote here:.
*oops...hang on here...i have to make a new poll...this one lets you vote more than once.
i will post the new one .
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Fisherman
If you bothered to read the thread rather than to take up for your dub buddy you'd see that I've already been active on this topic, certainly more than you. Nice try though.
I did read his post. OC replied to it after my post.I am just saying that instead of making remarks about someone, anyone, debunk what that person is saying. Making offensive remark about him or his post do not invalidate what he says. That is it. And whether or not it is true that we are JW or JW buddies has no relevance with the subject matter being discussed. I am interested in facts. Let me make up my own mind.Facts are clear, they have no color.
Please lets get back to the topic.
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Poll - Will you accept blood?
by OrphanCrow ini have made a poll to try to determine the impact of the wt's no blood policy on ex members.. if you are an exjw, please participate.. vote here:.
*oops...hang on here...i have to make a new poll...this one lets you vote more than once.
i will post the new one .
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Fisherman
Dub, aside from your remarks about RO, can you reply to his post or to the Topic?
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Day 2 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Thomas Jefferson Jr takes the stand in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial
by darkspilver inday two (wednesday 8 february 2017).
see also posts and threads regarding: pre-trial / day one / day one update / day five (last day, settlement).
jefferson: not totally.. zeff: okay.
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Fisherman
Koncept you have posted a lot of colorful commentary but no legislation showing that WT is not complying with child abuse reporting laws. You have said that wt is not acting morally -but you have shown no facts, only colorful commentary.
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Day 2 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Thomas Jefferson Jr takes the stand in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial
by darkspilver inday two (wednesday 8 february 2017).
see also posts and threads regarding: pre-trial / day one / day one update / day five (last day, settlement).
jefferson: not totally.. zeff: okay.
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Fisherman
By a moral code that...... -Koncep
You did not answer my question :
".....who's moral code......."
(You have already conceded that wt is operating lawfully)
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Day 2 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Thomas Jefferson Jr takes the stand in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial
by darkspilver inday two (wednesday 8 february 2017).
see also posts and threads regarding: pre-trial / day one / day one update / day five (last day, settlement).
jefferson: not totally.. zeff: okay.
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Fisherman
Then why did you post the question, "By who's moral code should wt act?" in the first place?
In reply to the implication that wt is not acting morally quoted below.
"not absolve them of also acting morally."
If you are not going to say,
I did say: I said whatever moral code wt likes.
why would you ask someone else to?
Why not? What code of rules are being violated by asking?
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Day 2 - Fessler vs. Watchtower – Thomas Jefferson Jr takes the stand in Jehovah’s Witness Child Abuse Trial
by darkspilver inday two (wednesday 8 february 2017).
see also posts and threads regarding: pre-trial / day one / day one update / day five (last day, settlement).
jefferson: not totally.. zeff: okay.
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Fisherman
Whose moral code do you think Watchtower should act by? I am curious to hear.
I think that I should not impose my moral code on wt but that wt should be free to choose and act by whatever moral code wt likes.